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  • So as we know the titles for episodes 9 & 10 were recently released, and I'm kind of worried the creators chose bad titles in the case of giving too much information away. Episode 9 titled Sic Semper Tyrannis translates to the overthrow of a tyrannical leader. Immediately upon learning that I thought that Octavia has become a tyrannical leader, and the people try/do overthrow her.

    Then upon hearing that episode 10 is titled the last I got thinking more. What if after they overthrow Octavia they have a trial or something like that, and in the end she is sentenced to death and dies in the episode the last. Also after looking back and seeing episode 8 is titled acceptable losses, I began to think that if Octavia leads her people into a battle against the new prison ship survivors and they loss a lot of people. Afterwards Octavia could say that they needed to die for the mission or something like that, which causes the beginning of a rebellion.

    Now I sort of like this idea, but also don't cause it seems too similar to the pike storyline. Also if this is the case I think the creators made a huge mistake by giving these episodes the titles they have. I have advocated in the past that one of the Blake siblings shouldn't survive till the end, but if this is the case I feel they made it a little too obvious. If Octavia does die this way, I don't think I'll care because it was hinted at too much. This would annoy me because I really like Octavia, and hope this isn't how she dies exactly.

    Let me know what you think do you think the titles could be hinting at Octavia possibly dying this season or am I reading too much into it which I hope I am.

    Also as a side note do you think that the creators revealed too much about the upcoming season, because I was looking under the trivia for season 5 and feel certain things should have been kept a surprise.

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    • The creator of the show says that Clarke, Bellamy and Octavia are the three "hearts" of the story, so unless one of the actors decides to quit the series, it's unlikely their character will be killed.

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    • I honestly hope that is not true because I strongly believe that one of the Blake siblings should die before the end of the series. I hate the idea of all three of them being the heart we only need one. Besides a show like this shouldn't have a lot heart these are people surviving the apocalypse. This show should be bloody dangerous and a little dark like the walking dead.

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    • I feel like if they did kill of Octavia, the show would lose a lot of people and could potentially endanger the show's future and it would be very upsetting since it's very obvious that "Sic Semper Tyrannis" is refering to Octavia.

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    • Tacoman999 wrote: I feel like if they did kill of Octavia, the show would lose a lot of people and could potentially endanger the show's future and it would be very upsetting since it's very obvious that "Sic Semper Tyrannis" is refering to Octavia.

      I completely agree it's way too obvious. I agree 100% right now Octavia shouldn't die this season. However I still stand by my opinion that one of the Blake siblings should die before the end of the series.

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    • JCB95 wrote:

      Tacoman999 wrote: I feel like if they did kill of Octavia, the show would lose a lot of people and could potentially endanger the show's future and it would be very upsetting since it's very obvious that "Sic Semper Tyrannis" is refering to Octavia.

      I completely agree it's way too obvious. I agree 100% right now Octavia shouldn't die this season. However I still stand by my opinion that one of the Blake siblings should die before the end of the series.

      I just found this on Octavia's trivia (the two very last trivia entrys)

      • Hinted by Jason Rothenberg that Bellamy would not like the way Octavia has been leading the Wonkru.
      • Jason Rothenberg hinted that fans will be surpised of where Octavia will end up in Season Five.

      This just supports the "Sic Semper Tyrannis" theory. At the end of Season 4, Bellamy believed that Octavia was a good leader but know it's saying that Bellamy doesn't like how Octavia is leading Wonkru. The second statement says that Rothenburg hints that fans will be suprised where Octavia will end up in Season Five. Sounds like a death to me. This is pretty much proves Octavia's death and it's honestly giving me chills thinking about the devestation that will follow.

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    • Tacoman999 wrote:

      JCB95 wrote:

      Tacoman999 wrote: I feel like if they did kill of Octavia, the show would lose a lot of people and could potentially endanger the show's future and it would be very upsetting since it's very obvious that "Sic Semper Tyrannis" is refering to Octavia.

      I completely agree it's way too obvious. I agree 100% right now Octavia shouldn't die this season. However I still stand by my opinion that one of the Blake siblings should die before the end of the series.

      I just found this on Octavia's trivia (the two very last trivia entrys)

      • Hinted by Jason Rothenberg that Bellamy would not like the way Octavia has been leading the Wonkru.
      • Jason Rothenberg hinted that fans will be surpised of where Octavia will end up in Season Five.

      This just supports the "Sic Semper Tyrannis" theory. At the end of Season 4, Bellamy believed that Octavia was a good leader but know it's saying that Bellamy doesn't like how Octavia is leading Wonkru. The second statement says that Rothenburg hints that fans will be suprised where Octavia will end up in Season Five. Sounds like a death to me. This is pretty much proves Octavia's death and it's honestly giving me chills thinking about the devestation that will follow.

      That is the point I'm trying to make. All of this points to Octavia dying. On one hand I'm angry at Jason and the creators for giving us so much information that it could be looked at as a spoiler. On the other hand maybe they know fans won't like Octavia dying so they're revealing all this information hoping that if fans know she's going to die it will soften the impact her death would have had. Honestly I would be fine if they killed Octavia off, if it was done right. Creators can't be afraid to kill off big characters, because of possible fan backlash. The walking dead does it all the time, but at the same time growing other characters to take their place of fan favorites when they kill off a big character. This is something I believe that the 100 fails miserably at, because they kilt of possible fan favorites so quickly you can barely remember their names after the fact or they are just rarely ever used.

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    • I feel like it’s definitely a possibility of one of the Blake’s dying but if I had to choose one it would probably be Bellamy knowing how much he cares for his sister he might save her and lose his own life for her. I also believe that Bellamy and Clarke still may become a thing and it’ll be a devistating deaths towards both people.

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    • 2600:387:5:804:0:0:0:7D wrote: I feel like it’s definitely a possibility of one of the Blake’s dying but if I had to choose one it would probably be Bellamy knowing how much he cares for his sister he might save her and lose his own life for her. I also believe that Bellamy and Clarke still may become a thing and it’ll be a devistating deaths towards both people.

      I've been saying one should die before the end of the series and I say it's 50/50 between the two of them. Bellamy sacrificing himself for Octavia would be great, plus I don't think Bellamy and Clarke should be together so it eliminates that possibility. I also feel like if Octavia dies because Bellamy failed to protect her would be great and show how brutal the world is.

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    • Yeah I don't think they would dare kill Octavia. She's too important a character!

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    • ArdenceOfAFreeBird wrote: Yeah I don't think they would dare kill Octavia. She's too important a character!

      I think for that very reason they should. If everyone thinks Octavia is safe just because she is a fan favorite, and then boom she dies. It shows how not everyone is safe, said that the creators have guts.

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    • JCB95 wrote:

      ArdenceOfAFreeBird wrote: Yeah I don't think they would dare kill Octavia. She's too important a character!

      I think for that very reason they should. If everyone thinks Octavia is safe just because she is a fan favorite, and then boom she dies. It shows how not everyone is safe, said that the creators have guts.

      It's also very dangerous and the show could lose viewers which The 100 needs if we are gonna see a Season 6.

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    • Tacoman999 wrote:

      JCB95 wrote:

      ArdenceOfAFreeBird wrote: Yeah I don't think they would dare kill Octavia. She's too important a character!

      I think for that very reason they should. If everyone thinks Octavia is safe just because she is a fan favorite, and then boom she dies. It shows how not everyone is safe, said that the creators have guts.

      It's also very dangerous and the show could lose viewers which The 100 needs if we are gonna see a Season 6.

      Yes but just by looking at the views of the finale they would need a massive jump in viewership for season 6. I like the show too, but looking at it realistically we might want to start facing the reality that this could be the last season.

      A lot of big popular shows aren't afraid to kill off big characters like TWD. Also by killing off a big character like Octavia could spark a rise in viewership. Get people talking and draw back in viewers.

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    • dude you gotta stop saying this needs to be more like TWD... I'm a huge fan of both myself, but TWD comes from an R rated graphic novel series with a TV-MA designation on a far more adult-tuned channel (AMC). The 100 is adapted from a children's book series on the freaking CW (aka. America's teen drama network, possibly behind Freeform or MTV, but sure up there). Airing in the late slot, they already get away with as much gore, darkness, and violence as they possibly could. If, say, they were to transition to a TNT style network or even AMC if they turn more adult as the 100 age, they could take said darker tone and shoot bigger shots, but right now, they're doing what they can with what they have, much like Wonkru lol. Also, you want to kill a main character just because people like him or her? So are you George RR Martin's son, brother, or just another groupie? Cuz the whole kill the main characters" bit is soooooo played out in the last 3 years...

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    • Personally, I'd never watch the show again if Octavia was killed. Wait till the end, force a season 6 if needed, but with a new villain, they won't resolve ALL the series issues in 16 episodes, especially with flashbacks and the bunker story taking so much time. Make this about getting past the prisoners and getting out of the bunker, and make season 6 the final battle between those who support Wonkru post-apocalypse 2 and those who leave the bunker and return to their original clans (kind of like the onboard people versus the final naysayers). They could even make 6 shorter, like season 1, in terms of episode number if they can't fill all 16 in 6. Banshee was one of the best shows I've ever seen and wrapped up the series with a nice little 8 episode mini-season bow at the end. That may be a great way to end the 100 as well, shorter, concise, and tying up ALL loose ends, leading us to believe humanity either survives or fights itself to death.

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    • I'm not saying that the show needs to be like TWD just that it had potential to be as good as TWD. TWD is an example of a great post apocalyptic show, but The 100 is just ok in my opinion.

      Yes AMC is more of an adult themed channel, but networks shouldn't be scared to air more gritty tv after 8 (aka prime time) Look at Chanel's like NBC with the blacklist or CBS with criminal minds they are middle area Chanel's but still mange to do both gritty shows and family shows. The CW did/could be a middle area Chanel but they choice to cater more to teens.

      For example Valor looks like it would be a Great War/gritty show but I've never watched it due to fear it's another teen drama.

      Killing off main characters shouldn't be an issue as long as they introduce new interesting and exciting characters to take their place. Sure you will always have fans that are mad that their favorite isn't on the show, but that's the risk you take. True fans don't bail on a show even if their favorite is killed off. I'm not sure if Octavia is dying it's just a theory.

      If I were the creators I'd have Octavia train or mentoring a grounder or arker leading up to her death. One she died we'd follow that character as a new main character. This way fans would still have an a piece of Octavia and a reason to follow this new character as she avenges Octavia. Look at the walking dead they've killed countless fan favorites and they are still a great show. Sure they've lost fans, but true fans don't leave their favorite shows.

      I hate to be Debbie downer but if you look at how low the ratings were for the season 4 finale it'll be a miracle if they get a season 6. Unless they get a massive rise in viewership this season which is unlikely due to ratings continuing to drop this could be the last season. I mean you have to look at it practically a network isn't going to keep a show that's barely pulling in a thousand viewers over a show drawing in drawing in a hundred thousand viewers.

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    • Well guys I think the fact that we have discussed this issue so much makes me believe that they will intentionally not kill Octavia. When have the creators ever followed what we speculated. They just amaze us by doing whatever they do. And overcoming all our speculations. We wanted a broken Clarke, they made her Wanheda and Comander. We wanted a sad Jaha, they gave us an evil savior. We wanted a pregnant and grieving Octavia, they gave us a Warrior Queen. We just have to wait and see how they will amaze us this coming season as they always do.

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    • Predicting how we expect a character to act is different from predicting if a character is going to die. For example last season I predicted Jasper would die and he did.

      I wouldn't say that the creators amaze us they just rush story or do time skips so we don't see our characters broken which we should see. We definitely needed a broken Clarke not wanhada but we didn't get that due to the time jump. I don't believe we needed a sad Jaha, he needed a reason to live so we got the philosophical Jaha which I really like ALIE and finding the city of light became his purpose resulting in him becoming ALIE's preacher. I wouldn't say he was evil he was just being controlled by an evil confused person. As for Octavia she should have been grieving but they rushed her story and forced her with Ilian so we never got to see her grieving. Also she NEVER should have been pregnant it didn't fit the story that's just something fans wanted.

      One thing I really hope we see in season 5 is a broken Kane after the culing last season. They still can do it with flashbacks and if not I no longer have faith the show can properly show broken or grieving characters. However again I still believe there is a chance one of the Blake siblings could die this season.

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    • If i had to pick one of the Blakes to die it would be Bellamy.   Octavia is the current Commander, she will be under alot of pressure and she will learn first hand what Clarke and Lexa had to do.   The sad truth is that they end last season to try to reset the show, the ratings are down badly and have been droping since they kill Lexa. 

      Kane yea he suffering though another Culling and i hope they show how it effects him. The only thing that should give him some peace is that he used Clarke list to do it.

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    • The tweet that Bob sent out pretty much confirms that Bellamy could die. In terms of Octavia being safe due to her being commander isn't entirely true. Leaders always have a target on them no matter what. Look at the episode title for episode 2. Red Queen could stand for Octavia being Queen but also the red could mean she's taken extreme measures to keep the peace meaning killing many people. Also the episode title sic sempter tyranus translates to the downfall of tyrants. Maybe Octavia has become a tyrannical leader and the people try/do overthrow her and sentence her to death. Then the episode The Last could be a reference to Octavia's last appearance meaning she could die in episode 10.

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    • After killing Lexa and Lincoln in Season 3, the viewers in Season 4 dropped DRASTICALLY. I think they already learned from their mistake, if they killed Octavia, who appears since Episode 1, viewers will half, its like a suicide.

      And by the way, when the Director sais "You will be surprised on where Octavia will end in this series", I think he knows we will all think he is dying, thats why its surprising, cause she is NOT dying. Although the Episode 9's title Sinc Semper Tyrannis, I think it refairs to her, but not to kill, maybe she gets banished (Murphy Season 1) or dissapears when everyone thinks she is dead (Clarke Season 4), or maybe its not even refairing to her, maybe from Episode 1 to Episode 9, there is another Commander/leader.

      But if I'm wrong and Octavia does die, and they do a Season 6, I won't even think in watching it, it will be forgotten for me.

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    • 88.18.61.71 wrote: After killing Lexa and Lincoln in Season 3, the viewers in Season 4 dropped DRASTICALLY. I think they already learned from their mistake, if they killed Octavia, who appears since Episode 1, viewers will half, its like a suicide.

      And by the way, when the Director sais "You will be surprised on where Octavia will end in this series", I think he knows we will all think he is dying, thats why its surprising, cause she is NOT dying. Although the Episode 9's title Sinc Semper Tyrannis, I think it refairs to her, but not to kill, maybe she gets banished (Murphy Season 1) or dissapears when everyone thinks she is dead (Clarke Season 4), or maybe its not even refairing to her, maybe from Episode 1 to Episode 9, there is another Commander/leader.

      But if I'm wrong and Octavia does die, and they do a Season 6, I won't even think in watching it, it will be forgotten for me.

      Yes viewership dwindled but I believe it also had to with the storytelling cause the writers really suck on this show. The writers need to grow a pair and kill off fan favorite characters like Raven, Murphy, and Octavia. Really great shows would take the risk and kill off important characters. I know I compare the shows a lot if this was TWD or a show like it characters like Raven, Murphy or one of the Blake siblings would be dead by now. We'd then learn more about characters like Miller, Harper, Indra and Roan. Due to the fact they have kept so many season 1 characters and it's now season 5 we should see a completely different cast of main characters. If I was showrunner going into the upcoming season the only original characters that would still be alive would be Clarke, Kane one of the Blake siblings and Murphy. Then the rest of the main cast would consist of characters we've never seen or recurring characters that would eventually become main characters.

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    • "My Sister, my responsability"

      Octavia is not dying, Bellame maybe (I hope he doesnt though)

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    • 88.18.61.71 wrote: "My Sister, my responsability"

      Octavia is not dying, Bellame maybe (I hope he doesnt though)

      Like I've said on a show like this nobody should be safe especially Octavia. I think I'd be so tragic if Octavia died because Bellamy failed to protect her. Plus I'd be a great reminder of how cruel the world is. Also Bellamy dying protecting his sister would be a great way to bring his story full circle plus it'd be a great poetic death.

      Me saying one of the Blake siblings should die is just my opinion you don't have to agree with me.

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    • JCB95 wrote:

      Tacoman999 wrote:

      JCB95 wrote:

      Tacoman999 wrote: I feel like if they did kill of Octavia, the show would lose a lot of people and could potentially endanger the show's future and it would be very upsetting since it's very obvious that "Sic Semper Tyrannis" is refering to Octavia.

      I completely agree it's way too obvious. I agree 100% right now Octavia shouldn't die this season. However I still stand by my opinion that one of the Blake siblings should die before the end of the series.
      I just found this on Octavia's trivia (the two very last trivia entrys)
      • Hinted by Jason Rothenberg that Bellamy would not like the way Octavia has been leading the Wonkru.
      • Jason Rothenberg hinted that fans will be surpised of where Octavia will end up in Season Five.

      This just supports the "Sic Semper Tyrannis" theory. At the end of Season 4, Bellamy believed that Octavia was a good leader but know it's saying that Bellamy doesn't like how Octavia is leading Wonkru. The second statement says that Rothenburg hints that fans will be suprised where Octavia will end up in Season Five. Sounds like a death to me. This is pretty much proves Octavia's death and it's honestly giving me chills thinking about the devestation that will follow.

      That is the point I'm trying to make. All of this points to Octavia dying. On one hand I'm angry at Jason and the creators for giving us so much information that it could be looked at as a spoiler. On the other hand maybe they know fans won't like Octavia dying so they're revealing all this information hoping that if fans know she's going to die it will soften the impact her death would have had. Honestly I would be fine if they killed Octavia off, if it was done right. Creators can't be afraid to kill off big characters, because of possible fan backlash. The walking dead does it all the time, but at the same time growing other characters to take their place of fan favorites when they kill off a big character. This is something I believe that the 100 fails miserably at, because they kilt of possible fan favorites so quickly you can barely remember their names after the fact or they are just rarely ever used.

      who the fuck are you ok i know this is just full of opinion but most of you sound dumb if you say octavia should die then you should stop watching if you are going to be haten on my girl and i agree with what tacoman999 that they would lose a hell of a lot of people if they cut them out. for goodness sake they can kill murphy and his girlfriend and maybe even clarke and her  mother BUT NOT THE BLAKE SIBLINGS now i get that the show wouldn't be anything with out clarke but honsetly i DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK if she dies so all of you can shut the hell up til you know what yall talking about and/or til you see the goddamn season !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • "This is something I believe that the 100 fails miserably at, because they kilt of possible fan favorites so quickly you can barely remember their names after the fact or they are just rarely ever used." Sorry but hardcore fans still remember Wells, Finn, Lincoln, Hanna Green, Lexa, Illian, Roan, Luna, Jasper etc... and we still cry each time, but we still watch the series knowing and hoping that others will carry on. We need these others to stay. It does not mean we forget those gone, yet we do not want a whole new cast. It would negate the fact that some people will die and others will survive. A fully new cast would mean there is no hope for survival. There should be some characters who will be in the opening credits of the first and the last episode of the show to keep hope alive in the hearts of fans. I do not think that we should say if other shows do something, then it should be done on this show. This is a dark show, but it is also a show about survival and hope. That is what keeps it going.

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