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  • Let's discuss Heavy Lies the Crown

    My personal opinion:

    Great episode. Decision making, some assasin moves mixed in. Grounder politics, saving the world, flashbacks and mentions. Solid 8/10  

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    • Awesome episode. S4 is shaping up to be the best season yet. I smell a season 5 coming.

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    • Honestly, what I loved best out of the entire episode, was that brief but awesome cameo of A.L.I.E. It was cool how they went back in time during that Ilian scene. 

      Very happy about Kabby.

      I'm really upset they didn't take the hydro generator, I know they needed to save the slaves, but they should have thought about the whole picture - as Monty said. It would have really been cool to see Alpha Station sealed up again. 

      The Polis plot is not that intriguing for me, but when Octavia killed the Trishana ambassador so sleek, it made me wanting to see more of Octavia's devolopment this season. 

      Maybe we'll see Riley become a recurring character this season, or maybe it will be a one episode appearance like Mel. 

      After this episode, I'm wondering how they'll pull this off. I've been thinking about how they can save themselves, I can only think of a Bunker. I'm really wondering how they'll do it. 

      Promo for next episode looks okay, not that interesting though. 

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    • Amazing episode overall, the episode also helped give a firm confirmation on what city Polis was before the war.

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    • how?

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    • In the beginning of episode like 9 minutes in when Clarke and everyone is at Arkadia trying to find a solution to for the radiation, if you notice in the background it shows a map of the area and clans. i paused the show when it gave a good view of the map. It showed the direction Polis is from TonDC, north east. If you go on google maps and go to Baltimore it is in the same direction, plus if you put your phone next to the tv and compare it, Baltimore is exactly where Polis is.

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    • I really like that we see more of Bryan in some way. And with that, I hope we get to see more and more Briller moments.

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    • Its Levii wrote: I really like that we see more of Bryan in some way. And with that, I hope we get to see more and more Briller moments.

      I am against Briller completely. Sorry but I think they are really insulting seeing as Jason only introduced them because they would save him from media backlash saying this show is anti LGBT. But they were minor characters, (both sky people AGAIN I might add) that came out of the blue and were given a substantial and unusual amount of screen time. And why? Because they were gay. It's not like they were even a thing im the background all along, they were literally created for that purpose. But they aren't even lesbians so Jason is deluded in thinking they represent at all, they don't and they are a dead limb with no purpose otherwise. I hate how mocking this show can be. I used to adore it but I kinda understand why the ratings are falling so fast. It really has turned into a nasty, controversial show. And I watched the beginning of season 4, hoping it would change it but it didn't. So I think this is the end of the road for me here, zI have had enough and can't sit through it anymore.

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    • But they aren't even lesbians so Jason is deluded in thinking they represent at all, they don't and they are a dead limb with no purpose otherwise. I hate how mocking this show can be. I used to adore it but I kinda understand why the ratings are falling so fast. It really has turned into a nasty, controversial show. And I watched the beginning of season 4, hoping it would change it but it didn't. So I think this is the end of the road for me here, zI have had enough and can't sit through it anymore.

      You had me up until you said this. I don't understand  how Briller isn't representation.

      Miller is a upper class black gay man. Bryan is a lower working class gay white man. 

      I'm failing to see how that isn't representation for someone.

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    • Last night was the beginning of the action we were promised.

      It began with a Kabby scene which I didn't think I was going to like, but ended up loving.

      Then it went into military mode with Raven (the brain), Bellamy (the heart), and Clarke (a mix of both). I was a little upset to see Raven being so cold to everyone during the episode though. Compared to the Raven in previous seasons, this Raven is far more analytical and pragmatic. I think these are the effects of A.L.I.E "upgrading" her. It will be interesting to see how she turns out during the season.

      We recieved some more minor character moments with Briller and Marper which I not sure how I felt about. Marper was extremely cute in the beginning, but towards the end, they lost the mommentum for me. Like, why didn't we see Harper comfort Monty after that scene in the ice Nation? For me, it would've been a good stepping stone in their "rushed" relationship. Briller had me feeling some type of way last night. I never really understood how Miller and Bryan ended up together to begin with simply because they seem so different to me. I hope the writers do some flashbacks to show us how that relationship was built up honestly because I can't understand it. I'm glad we got to see the dynamic, but at the same time I'm wondering what is their story? I NEED ANSWERS JASON!!

      Octavia is Skairippa and I don't know how to feel about that. On one hand, I'm not all that upset that she killed the ambassador. On the other hand, I'm like WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING OCTAVIA???!! I understand that she feels she needs to go down this dark path, but I still don't like it. I didn't like it when Raven, Jasper, or Bellamy did it and I don't like it now. It will be interesting to see where her relationship with Ilian goes though. Maybe they'll be like Batman and Robin?

      I'm not sure how I feel about Clarke listening to Jaha honestly. Plus JAHA WAS AN ENGINEER WTF???

      I wanted smack Jasper and love him all at the same time. He was so happy this episode, but it was because he knew he was going to die in 6 months so I don't know how to take that.

      Finally, I don't know how to respond to what Bellamy did last night. He saved a bunch of people, but he also just sentenced the rest of the human race to death. It's a tough call that I frustrates the heck outta me. I hope Clarke and Raven will fix this somehow because as much as I love Bellamy; I don't think he'll be much help finding a way to save the world. He make one hell a speech though (I hope).

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    • This is the second time I've wrote this so here I go.

      This episode was all about people's reputation and their morals towards certain people.

      I'll use Echo as an example. Echo doesn't like Skaikru as her allegiance is to her people. However, Bellamy saved her from the Mountain Men, so why doesn't she like Skaikru. The answer is morals. It's why she still doesn't trust Skaikru even though they've been really nothing but good to her, because her allegiance is to her king (but really it's to Nia.) Even when Abby sides with her on having Echo fight for Roan, Echo's morals stay the same. I said this last week too, it makes her an interesting character.

      Bryan also fought with his morals in this episode. He didn't want to go back to Azgeda because of what happened to him in there. It's also because of this that he still believes that Pike didn't deserve to die. But why did he turn Pike in to the grounders? Morals, he wanted to save his boyfriend.

      Long live the King. Roan, once again, amazing character. I do like how he's thinking about everyone as a whole rather than just Azgeda, as Nia would. It's going to be interesting to see how Azgeda might retaliate against him, making Roan seem less powerful. 

      Clarke, Bellamy and Octavia all had different story arcs this episode, and I liked how Bellamy went back to making the decisions, much like Season 1 (Whatever the hell we want!). Do I agree with his decision? Hard call, tough call. I feel as if morally he made the right call, but that was not the right all to make. They could have gone back to the farm station to track down the remaining ones to make another story arc altogether, but they decided to go back to having the 100 have less resources than they should. Like I said, Season 1. 

      As I said last week, Octavia is a badass. I thought that was a creative way of covering up a homicide, and just from that scene, I can tell that Octavia is getting smarter, yet more vigorous. 

      No Murphy this episode, sadly.

      Ok, Jaha being an engineer before being chancellor is basically plot armor. "Oh, we really like you and are about ready to lynch you, but you're an engineer and can help us out" Wonderful... more Jaha. Just what I didn't need in my life.

      Jasper turned Pessimism to Optimism and it pisses me off. "We're gonna die! Let's party! There's totally not someone trying to save our skins right now, who gives a ****" If Echo goes to Arkadia and sees that immediately, prepare for war (Somewhat wanna see that)

      Poor Raven. I like how she's taking a commanding role. I want to see more of it, to be honest. 

      There's my Summary/Rant. See you guys next week!

      Master of Angels Out.

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    • I love Briller, honestly. Only reason I'm keeping my hope at bay is because the actor who portrays Bryan is in other projects so we might not see him a lot.

      Either way, I think their story works great. Miller was already shipped with Monty back in S2, and when we learned he had a boyfriend in S3 it made sense. So yes, there was build-up, even when Clexa was still a thing (so not just after the backlash). Bryan was literally with Pike in Ice Nation and presumed dead by the people of Arkadia, so hence why we didn't see them (back) together before S3. 

      Bryan and Nathan are a great couple to have on our screens. They're survivors, they are strong, but they've also shown to need eachother. I hope they talk through their Farm Station-Trip issues and be happy again :)

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    • Please can somebody kill Jasper. He's  draging the show down.

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    • Clark + Echo =CLECO  It's coming.

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    • TotallyTinkerbell wrote:
      I love Briller, honestly. Only reason I'm keeping my hope at bay is because the actor who portrays Bryan is in other projects so we might not see him a lot.

      Either way, I think their story works great. Miller was already shipped with Monty back in S2, and when we learned he had a boyfriend in S3 it made sense. So yes, there was build-up, even when Clexa was still a thing (so not just after the backlash). Bryan was literally with Pike in Ice Nation and presumed dead by the people of Arkadia, so hence why we didn't see them (back) together before S3. 

      Bryan and Nathan are a great couple to have on our screens. They're survivors, they are strong, but they've also shown to need eachother. I hope they talk through their Farm Station-Trip issues and be happy again :)

      I couldn't agree more! 

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    • 96.250.182.152 wrote:
      Please can somebody kill Jasper. He's  draging the show down.

      Hell no! Jasper is great and deserves all the love that world can give him!!

      Sincerely,

      2017 JASPER JORDAN PROTECTION SQUAD

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    • I really loved this episode! They're honestly fixing all of my major problems with season 3 (for example actually MENTIONING the dead and the trauma characters have gone through!) I was a tad annoyed with Raven this episode (that comment about Clarke's father was a really low blow) but she's still my favourite and I still love her. I personally would've taken the hydro generator but I can't oppose Bellamy's decision since he was doing what he thought was best and I could never imagine myself in such a situation.

      I'm becoming slightly more interested in Octavia's arc, I just really really hope she gets held accountable for her actions which was a major concern of mine last season.

      I'm also incredibly happy about Kabby.

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    • TotallyTinkerbell wrote:
      I love Briller, honestly. Only reason I'm keeping my hope at bay is because the actor who portrays Bryan is in other projects so we might not see him a lot.

      Either way, I think their story works great. Miller was already shipped with Monty back in S2, and when we learned he had a boyfriend in S3 it made sense. So yes, there was build-up, even when Clexa was still a thing (so not just after the backlash). Bryan was literally with Pike in Ice Nation and presumed dead by the people of Arkadia, so hence why we didn't see them (back) together before S3. 

      Bryan and Nathan are a great couple to have on our screens. They're survivors, they are strong, but they've also shown to need eachother. I hope they talk through their Farm Station-Trip issues and be happy again :)

      Briller were just a plot device from Jason to save the show's reputation and basically just "try" (and fail) to be a replacement for Lexa. I am surprised you would think that actually, I do understand why they come across as offensive.  Also to Charinfox, it really has nothing to do with class, I think they mean they don't represent because they are two gay men. So they are not filling the void in the way Jason, ahem 'hoped', 'corrupted', etc. because the thing that people are constantly trying to get across is that lesbians, yes females in relationships are the ones that are known to not have happy endings. And commonly and 'coincidentally' they are often killed after 'couples' moments with eachother if you know what I mean. But this kind of thing keeps falling on deaf ears. Look at Buffy the Vampire slayer, TVD, this is consantly a thing that happens. But gay guys have better endings than girls for the majority. Shadowhunters being one and many other shows. So as I say, it was something of an ill fitting replacement/cop out, take your pick. Try explaining this to a Bellarke fan though and they just laugh at you and act like sore winners. But this show has many disgraceful flaws and even the most dedicated of you would be a little selfish not to admit that.

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    • Charinfox wrote:
      96.250.182.152 wrote:
      Please can somebody kill Jasper. He's  draging the show down.
      Hell no! Jasper is great and deserves all the love that world can give him!!

      Sincerely,

      2017 JASPER JORDAN PROTECTION SQUAD

      Yes but so did Lexa and look what happened to her despite how popular she was. Jason doesn't care, he even said himself this show doesn't have happy endings.

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    • Good episode. It's definitely a step up from the premiere. I love Roan so much and it's great to have him as a main. I don't necessarily like Azgeda in charge, but I believe Roan is a fair Commander (what we have seen of him so far anyway). He's nothing like his mother, he genuinely loves his people, not just power.

      Also, were the slaves just Farm Nation hostages? I thought I saw a few Grounders among them?

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    • TheOmegaWerewolf wrote:
      Good episode. It's definitely a step up from the premiere. I love Roan so much and it's great to have him as a main. I don't necessarily like Azgeda in charge, but I believe Roan is a fair Commander (what we have seen of him so far anyway). He's nothing like his mother, he genuinely loves his people, not just power.

      Also, were the slaves just Farm Nation hostages? I thought I saw a few Grounders among them?

      No it was a combination of them, from what i saw it looked like there was only one farm station survivor, Riley, the rest being Grounders.


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    • 96.250.182.152 wrote:
      Clark + Echo =CLECO  It's coming.

      I would love for this to happen. They both have alot in common.Echo admires clark,she knows the powers of wanheda.

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    • It isn't going to be the next Clexa though. Nothing will ever be that beautiful, no characters would ever be so well suited ever again.

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    • 83.136.45.19 wrote:
      It isn't going to be the next Clexa though. Nothing will ever be that beautiful, no characters would ever be so well suited ever again.


      I agree. My heart still bleeds for Clexa,but for the sake of the show, Clark needs to be in love. Echo is the only logical choice .

      The ratings are terrible,we need some thing to bring the fans back or else there won't be a 5th season..

      ARE YOU LISTENING JASON.

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    • "For the sake of the show, Clark needs to be in love."

      - How? Clarke's lovelife isn't going to stop the apocalypse? Clarke's lovelife isn't going to make fandomlife better [In fact, it'll only create more shipwars]. I challenge the writers directly to have Clarke face this problem - this life or death situation - single. Also, reducing Clarke to just her lovelife is a bit rude. She is more than that.

      "The ratings are terrible,.... or else there won't be a fifth season"

      - Actually the ratings aren't so bad as most Clexa fans make them look. We have a 0.4 demo share, against some serious competition. That is perfectly in the line of expectations. A fifth season is still very much an option. Ratings aren't everything. CW actually pays a LOT of attention to streaming numbers, online engagements, etc. And The 100 is top of the class in those. So it's fne, tbh.

      Also, I hope Jason isn't listening. I hope he focusses on his new show. He really needs to stay away from the fandom, and this wikia.

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    • ^ Exactly!

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    • TotallyTinkerbell wrote: "For the sake of the show, Clark needs to be in love."

      - How? Clarke's lovelife isn't going to stop the apocalypse? Clarke's lovelife isn't going to make fandomlife better [In fact, it'll only create more shipwars]. I challenge the writers directly to have Clarke face this problem - this life or death situation - single. Also, reducing Clarke to just her lovelife is a bit rude. She is more than that.

      "The ratings are terrible,.... or else there won't be a fifth season"

      - Actually the ratings aren't so bad as most Clexa fans make them look. We have a 0.4 demo share, against some serious competition. That is perfectly in the line of expectations. A fifth season is still very much an option. Ratings aren't everything. CW actually pays a LOT of attention to streaming numbers, online engagements, etc. And The 100 is top of the class in those. So it's fne, tbh.

      Also, I hope Jason isn't listening. I hope he focusses on his new show. He really needs to stay away from the fandom, and this wikia.

      Taya are you mad?! He needs to focus on his new show you say? Now that is exactly what will put the 100 in its grave! Him spending time polishing his new baby while his old one turns to rust. Are you or are you not a fan of this show and actually want it to mend itself again? No promoting the new show on the 100 thread, that is a very bad idea. This time of thing where producers divide their work between shows is always what kills it. But yes there are problems with the 100 that didn't exist previously. Lexa's death was a mess. The City of Light was a mess. The Bellarke Shipping is a mess, ALIE was a mess, look basically we have been having major issues since season 3b and Jason needs to sort it out.

      And I 100% agree leave Clarke single, she doesn't need to be cheapened by jumping into bed with others for the sake of ratings because it is not working anymore, it is tearing the fandom apart. And the same goes for all of the characters. This has become more soap opera than Hunger Games survival. This is NOT 'Sex and the City of Light'....well it is now but my point is it shouldn't be! Honestly the same thing is happening in the Teen Wolf fandom and so many others but at least the other shows that it is happening to have run its natural course. The 100 has barely started walking and instead of sprinting into what is in the average show, some of the strongest seasons yet, it is tumbling and falling because Jason hasn't planned it out properly and hasn't been very good at predicting the consequences of huge controversial decisions. Because that's the type of person he is, he is flippant and careless. And if you think with him behind the steering wheel of the new show that it will be worth rooting for, think again. He is a smart, extremely creative man but his weaknesses let him down and let his work down. If the 100 hadn't been messed up in the last few decisions, I would have 100% watched his new show. But now I don't trust any of it.

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    • ^ I agree to a point, but my opinion is it would be interesting if Clarke + Echo would be interesting to see happen. We see Kabby is working well and looks like it's going to last, and so if Clarke somehow has new romantic love interest, please this let it be permanent and no more killing off her lovelife then everyone can put this to rest.

      -Vader25

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    • I'm not promoting any show on a thread about The 100. I avoided using the name for exactly that purpose. Only reason I said what I said is because Jason should probably stay away from the fandom. His writing and his inability to use social media sensibly have turned the fandom against him, and against eachother. And I don't want to see any more of that happen.

      Jason Rothenberg bullied an actor off of the show, he queerbaited and excuses harmful tropes with "anyone can die", he only fuels the shipping wars and he doesn't deserve the show and it's dedicaded fanbase. I'm here for the show. I'm here for the characters the story, the cast and most of the crew. But not Jason Rothenberg. 

      And I would never wish someone to loose their jobs, not even him. So I'm not going to demand him being fired or anything. All I'm saying is that I hope his new show pays off.

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    • TotallyTinkerbell wrote: I'm not promoting any show on a thread about The 100. I avoided using the name for exactly that purpose. Only reason I said what I said is because Jason should probably stay away from the fandom. His writing and his inability to use social media sensibly have turned the fandom against him, and against eachother. And I don't want to see any more of that happen.

      Jason Rothenberg bullied an actor off of the show, he queerbaited and excuses harmful tropes with "anyone can die", he only fuels the shipping wars and he doesn't deserve the show and it's dedicaded fanbase. I'm here for the show. I'm here for the characters the story, the cast and most of the crew. But not Jason Rothenberg. 

      And I would never wish someone to loose their jobs, not even him. So I'm not going to demand him being fired or anything. All I'm saying is that I hope his new show pays off.

      Taya you are too generous because if somebody is making a living off my viewership, be it actor, producer whatever, if they mess up badly enough, I have no problem in being critical and voicing my opinion that it is time for said individual to be shown the door. But I think Jason would rather see it cancelled than come under different management which I think is annoying. He must be such a horrible boss too, Eliza is always saying in interviews she can't say this and that because he won't like it.

      And to the other fandom member can you please leave Clarke alone, Lexa was her love, she needs to be left alone. Echo is nasty anyway so I couldn't even tell if that's dangerous or not to even suggest it. But no wonder Eliza Taylor is nearly tearing her hair out with all this. These ships are just ruining it and as Taya says, Jason is wrongly encouraging the divide so let Clarke be alone.

      As for Kabby, I just don't know. I mean I think it is kinda Abby setting a bad example. She was essentially responsible for her husband's death, the death of her child's father. In season 2 I was so with Clarke on this, she should be mad at Abby because Abby should not have the "I'm free to move on" attitude when she ruined her own much too forgiving husband's life. She should be riddled with guilt and shame and as a last show that she has some remorse and respect for him, she should remain his wife. So yeah I personally don't see the romance in it at all because it is unnatural and she doesn't deserve Kane. But guess it's yet another problem to add to the mounting pile anyway.

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    • Haha. Yeah I might just be too good for this show, you might have a point.

      Also, about Echo. Ever since S2 people are shipping her with Bellamy, you know, MW.  And that shipping kind of slowed down when Echo/Ice Nation blew up MW killing Gina. But it has started again after 4x01 aired. People think, especially with her coming to Arkadia now, that there will be some frenemy/sexual frustration-situation going on between her and Bellamy.

      This is just what I read on twitter though. Personally I am never really a fan of "Sleep with the person who is responsible for the death of your lover"- trend. And like the person above says, Abby should show some more grief. Well, this just establishes it. The dead are gone and forgotten in this show. Grief is portrayed very rarely, and very briefly. Raven hooked up with Wick several episodes after Finn died. Clarke kissed Lexa mere days (in timeline) after he died.

      Now Kabby and potentially Octalian... Oh well.

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    • TotallyTinkerbell wrote: Haha. Yeah I might just be too good for this show, you might have a point.

      Also, about Echo. Ever since S2 people are shipping her with Bellamy, you know, MW.  And that shipping kind of slowed down when Echo/Ice Nation blew up MW killing Gina. But it has started again after 4x01 aired. People think, especially with her coming to Arkadia now, that there will be some frenemy/sexual frustration-situation going on between her and Bellamy.

      This is just what I read on twitter though. Personally I am never really a fan of "Sleep with the person who is responsible for the death of your lover"- trend. And like the person above says, Abby should show some more grief. Well, this just establishes it. The dead are gone and forgotten in this show. Grief is portrayed very rarely, and very briefly. Raven hooked up with Wick several episodes after Finn died. Clarke kissed Lexa mere days (in timeline) after he died.

      Now Kabby and potentially Octalian... Oh well.

      Yes but you are allowed to complain when you don't like something too. And I personally have little sympathy for most people living in the Hollywood/Celeb culture land because money means nothing to them, they don't know what it is like to live in the real world. So it bothers me when they think they know and trythe to portray it in a way that is untrue. But I agree Taya, once you are dead on the show you are forgotten, Kim Shumway actually said that too. With Clarke, it could be questioned was her fling with him really love at all though, it went sour very quickly and I believe she kissed him more as a respect thing to him because afterwards she left Raven to do the grieving for him and told his ghost to get lost and she wanted nothing to do with his ashes, denying them twice. Even if it wasn't love for her though, it was still disrespectful for her to move on so soon. But while everyone is really happy for Kabby, I actually really disapprove of it, I think these things are not a good message for the show to portray. They didn't even have a proper funeral for Lexa, to just let her have her day because once they are dead, they aren't considered important.

      And another thing that really bothers me is the sheer xenophobia presented towards grounders on this show. I feel like it's not safe to follow any of them because they are always killing the popular ones we love. But a lot of people believe it or not, have actually started rooting for the grounders. So immediately they are discarding half their fanbase.

      Interesting, I can see why people made that suggestion though. Echo is in many ways like Octavia in personality arguably. And she is so like Bellamy too. Bellamy always has sexual frustrations, in season 1 he slept with two women at the same time and for a number of reasons including his dominant stance on sex and getting it, I really cannot stand him and for that reason wish that he would leave Clarke alone to grieve her love. Clarke deserves better, she deserves to be independent and strong again but she probably won't be. Honestly this is turning into something that resembles 50 Shades of Filth rather than the 100 because this show promotes sex but not love and the whole survival thing comes second nature these days if we're lucky. I mean to do this to the characters though, it is not very realistic or respectful towards past characters and there fans now is it?

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    • I must disagree at the Bellamy bit. Yes, he had a threesome in S1 and he took full advantage of the fact that there was no adult supervision. But I think that changed when he realized that he, as a 23 year old guy, had the responsiblity to keep those teenagers alive. Once he was pardoned, almost all of that bad-boy character had been gone, and he fully focussed on the survival aspect.

      In the beginning of S3 he had a girlfriend, and that was a serious relationship, not a hookup. And now, in S4, he is not going back to that bad-boy character again. He cares too much about the people he loves, to be reckless like that. His character development has come too far. He will co-lead with Clarke, and I think that's a beautiful thing (FYI I'm really really really hoping they don't have anything romantic planned for S4, to avoid a nuclear bomb in the fandom - pun intended).

      I think the main reason why the show inserts those 'yolo' moments is to balance out the throat-slitting, ear-stabbing, bullet to the stomach-moments. It's The 100's way of showing "hey look, these people have feelings, and needs. So they sleep together." Are there better ways to show that? Yes. You could have them braid eachother's hair, or eat cake. Oh wait, that was S2. And many charcters were found OOC back then. Well, yes, exactly. Because we're not used to seeing these character take a seat. So I say keep those bedroom scenes in there. I don't mind them. There's maybe one of those scenes per episode, and the remaining 40 minutes is full-on survival mode. I have 0 problems with that.

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    • TotallyTinkerbell wrote: I must disagree at the Bellamy bit. Yes, he had a threesome in S1 and he took full advantage of the fact that there was no adult supervision. But I think that changed when he realized that he, as a 23 year old guy, had the responsiblity to keep those teenagers alive. Once he was pardoned, almost all of that bad-boy character had been gone, and he fully focussed on the survival aspect.

      In the beginning of S3 he had a girlfriend, and that was a serious relationship, not a hookup. And now, in S4, he is not going back to that bad-boy character again. He cares too much about the people he loves, to be reckless like that. His character development has come too far. He will co-lead with Clarke, and I think that's a beautiful thing (FYI I'm really really really hoping they don't have anything romantic planned for S4, to avoid a nuclear bomb in the fandom - pun intended).

      I think the main reason why the show inserts those 'yolo' moments is to balance out the throat-slitting, ear-stabbing, bullet to the stomach-moments. It's The 100's way of showing "hey look, these people have feelings, and needs. So they sleep together." Are there better ways to show that? Yes. You could have them braid eachother's hair, or eat cake. Oh wait, that was S2. And many charcters were found OOC back then. Well, yes, exactly. Because we're not used to seeing these character take a seat. So I say keep those bedroom scenes in there. I don't mind them. There's maybe one of those scenes per episode, and the remaining 40 minutes is full-on survival mode. I have 0 problems with that.

      No I think Bellamy just has a really rotten dark side that surfaces now and again. His sadistic torture of Murphy too and killing of grounders, his need to be in control. All that is really unhealthy and he needs a proper pyschiatrist to cipher through the crap going on in his head, not Clarke who has her own problems and doesn't deserve submitting like that to anyone.

      Honestly, the bedroom scenes are way overboard, it takes away from the show, makes it cheap and it is not love so it is not ok. Plus not to sound nitpicky but they don't even practice safety first, certainly a threesome is disgusting and a nono and I have 0 respect for that disgusting man Bellamy. I honestly preferred it when he took a back seat, this is not the books and someone else, a grounder I believe, should now take centre stage with Clarke as a lead, not him. He is a huge speedbump in this show as is. But the point is, all of this stupid stuff has taken away from the show to the point where I and many are struggling to find sense in it anymore as is. The Hunger Games which they keep comparing to, was done better because it was about being badass, being a survivor and having your wits about you. The 100... used to but nope, no longer. And that ALIE stuff... what the heck was that? So unrealistic!!!!

      Oh and btw, not sure if this was a legit thing or not but I came across a fairly new looking pic of Eliza in costume holding a sign saying "I don't want another Commander!" Legit or not I wonder? I kinda wouldn't be too surprised if she actually did do something like that though. She was great because she supported Clexa all the way and heck, I think she really did enjoy it, she was obsessed with Lexa too.

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    • All of the characters on the show have a darker side, though. The fandom likes to point to Bellamy and shout "genocide" but people ignore how the other characters are just at much at fault. Lexa let a bomb drop on her people. Clarke and Monty have equal share in the mount weather massacre. All three of the adults have shares in the Culling. Jaha threw a kid into a seamonster, Kane shocklashed someone in front of everyone, Murphy killed two guys in S1. Finn killed an entire grounder village, Jasper started a confict with Trikru by shooting at the grounders in the trees during Clarke and Anya's peacetalks. Octavia has killed numerous people and Echo had Mount Weather blown up. So if Bellamy needs therapy, then everyone does.

      This show is hardly one for the fans who love Hunger Games' teen romance (which speaking off - not even for 3 seconds did I think that any of the main characters were ever in danger of dying, unlike The 100). The 100 should never be compared to that movie franchise. The only thing they have in common is that they're both about survival, and both take place in the woods. And lots of people die. If you want that, combined with a teenage love-triangle and some archery, go watch Hunger Games. If you want something darker, watch The 100. The show is also not for people who want realism? It's a tv-show. If the show was meant to be realistic, all the people would be dead already. 

      & I'm pretty sure that picture you saw was fake. I'm not saying that because I don't want it to be true, but because I know she wouldn't do something as controversial. They wouldn't let her. Yes, Eliza clèarly shipped Clexa. And I loved that. You could see how Eliza enjoyed filming with Alycia, they are really good friends, and I loved their dynamic (on and off-screen). But I don't think they'll have a do-over for a grounder romance. Like I said, I just wished she stayed single, actually. Not Echo, not Bellamy, not any new love interest. Just Clarke.

      Also, I don't know why there is this general attitude that characters having sex makes them disgusting, but calling Bellamy that is hardly fair. Let's try not to partake in society's horrible tendency to slut-shame anymore :)

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      All of the characters on the show have a darker side, though. The fandom likes to point to Bellamy and shout "genocide" but people ignore how the other characters are just at much at fault. Lexa let a bomb drop on her people. Clarke and Monty have equal share in the mount weather massacre. All three of the adults have shares in the Culling. Jaha threw a kid into a seamonster, Kane shocklashed someone in front of everyone, Murphy killed two guys in S1. Finn killed an entire grounder village, Jasper started a confict with Trikru by shooting at the grounders in the trees during Clarke and Anya's peacetalks. Octavia has killed numerous people and Echo had Mount Weather blown up. So if Bellamy needs therapy, then everyone does.

      This is the point I feel is the most important here. I know a lot of the fandom of the show tends to villainize characters they dislike because they made bad decisions and did horrible things. But the truth is this, the entire moral of The 100 is "Maybe there are no good guys" (or "None of us is innocent.") Everyone of the characters on the show has messed up, big time, and it's just not fair to hate one but elevate another.

      I understand that a lot of people dislike Bellamy and I respect their opinions completely. But, honestly, he's no worse than anyone else on this show. He thought he was doing what was right for his people even if that was something completely uncalled for and awful. (Although, I reaallly don't blame him for not trusting the grounders, the Sky People had never had a good experience with them but that's a whole separate point I won't get into.)

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    • TotallyTinkerbell wrote: All of the characters on the show have a darker side, though. The fandom likes to point to Bellamy and shout "genocide" but people ignore how the other characters are just at much at fault. Lexa let a bomb drop on her people. Clarke and Monty have equal share in the mount weather massacre. All three of the adults have shares in the Culling. Jaha threw a kid into a seamonster, Kane shocklashed someone in front of everyone, Murphy killed two guys in S1. Finn killed an entire grounder village, Jasper started a confict with Trikru by shooting at the grounders in the trees during Clarke and Anya's peacetalks. Octavia has killed numerous people and Echo had Mount Weather blown up. So if Bellamy needs therapy, then everyone does.

      This show is hardly one for the fans who love Hunger Games' teen romance (which speaking off - not even for 3 seconds did I think that any of the main characters were ever in danger of dying, unlike The 100). The 100 should never be compared to that movie franchise. The only thing they have in common is that they're both about survival, and both take place in the woods. And lots of people die. If you want that, combined with a teenage love-triangle and some archery, go watch Hunger Games. If you want something darker, watch The 100. The show is also not for people who want realism? It's a tv-show. If the show was meant to be realistic, all the people would be dead already. 

      & I'm pretty sure that picture you saw was fake. I'm not saying that because I don't want it to be true, but because I know she wouldn't do something as controversial. They wouldn't let her. Yes, Eliza clèarly shipped Clexa. And I loved that. You could see how Eliza enjoyed filming with Alycia, they are really good friends, and I loved their dynamic (on and off-screen). But I don't think they'll have a do-over for a grounder romance. Like I said, I just wished she stayed single, actually. Not Echo, not Bellamy, not any new love interest. Just Clarke.

      Also, I don't know why there is this general attitude that characters having sex makes them disgusting, but calling Bellamy that is hardly fair. Let's try not to partake in society's horrible tendency to slut-shame anymore :)

      Taya having sex with 2 women at the same time us disgusting, it us bot love and it is not ik, Bellamy was the only one who did that and I actually find it really concerning that you don't see that as wrong. And as for comparing Lexa to Bellamy which is what you amd many are trying to do, don't because you can't. Lexa was raised not with dolls in her hands but swords. She didn't have parents to guide her she had a personal trainer. She was actually unique in that despite being raised under the belief that harsh actions required punishment, she didn't approve of it. But at sixteen years old she was forced to be a Commander, which involves lots of rules to follow, lots of responsibility and lots of expectations. And if she disobeyed with her people's rules, she wouldn't just be impeached, she would be killed.

      At first yeah, she absolutely made terrible and cowardly decisions and times. But unlike Bellamy she didn't torture or kill out of her own will to be sadistic. She did it because it was the rules, it was her job. And was she in a really awful situation because of it, yes! But despite this, when she met Clarke, she learned for the first time that there actually was a better way. And Clarke gave her the tools to build toward that so she did. She could have retaliated towards Bellamy and his people. Clarke said she had every right. But she chose the peace road. And it nearly got her killed by one of her own. In the end it nearly did. So if you think about it, Bellamy was actually the initiating factor towards her own death. If he hadn't killed her army there to protect him, it could have been avoided.

      But did Bellamy have any regrets, not really. He hates the grounders, he hates that Clarke loved Lexa and Octavia loved Lincoln. And all he seems to do is feel sorry for himself hoping that others will too. He is pretty pathetic.

      And Taya they practically marketed this towards Hunger Games fans and Eliza is always comparing Clarke to Katniss so it is not really your call to tell people what to expect, what to be watching and for what reasons. This show's introduction was timed well on purpose. And plus the Hunger Games isnt some soppy teen romance like what you're saying. It is about an empowering young female with actual morals.

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    • Also Taya, in terms of the show's realism, how do you knpw firstly, that they actually would all be dead? And secondly even if it is not supposed to be really, it reflects really important, realistic values. Clearly your views on sex in the show are different to mine. I don't believe in casual sex without real love because what happens then in real life when condoms or the pill don't work or are not even used and someone either winds up pregnant or with an std? Oh but it was all just to release the tension for fun right? I also do not believe in casual abortions either.

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    • I'm not comparing Lexa to Bellamy. That whole argument is pointless and I'm not getting into it. I pointed out many other crimes, and you picked Bellamy vs Lexa out of that entire list. I'm just saying everyone has killed, at this point. For survival. Kill or be killed. Survival of the fittest. Theme of the show.

      And if you think Lexa did nothing wrong, she was raised like that, and that Bellamy is a monster with no regrets, then you fail to see the point of the show. There are no good guys, there are no bad guys. Characters make mistakes, characters redeem themselves, and the entire show is set in a grey area.

      If you're concerned about me not condescending a character and slut-shaming them, then idk what to tell you. That threesome was the most Bellamy thing to do at that point in his story. It totally fit. Was it needed? No. Was it disgusting? No. But truthfully we don't know much about it either. So I just think it's stupid to go and judge that and call him disgusting and criticize his actions, all the while ignoring all the good things, and excusing other characters on the show for doing equally monstrous things. Bellamy isn't perfect. Nobody on this show is.

      & I have legit NEVER heard Eliza compare Clarke to Katniss. This show is in fact not marketed towards Hunger Games. In fact it was promoted as BattleStar Galactica meets Lord of the Flies. All the reviews at the beginning of the show pointed out how it was much darker then normal teen science-fiction, even dark for the CW standards. Yes, the hunger games is about empowering young female with morals. I actually liked it. And that is something that it has in common with the show. But The 100 is much darker. 

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    • ^ALL of the characters did terrible things at some point, so none of us can just pinpoint one of them.

      But people associate Bellamy with a genocide because he massacred SLEEPING warriors for NO REASON. He 1) Saw firsthand how the Grounder's reacted with Finn's massacre, so he knew they would retaliate, 2) The Grounders weren't even a possible threat while asleep, it's not a fair and honorable fight by any means, it's just cowardly because Pike's crew were too weak and scared to stand up to warriors who were awake and had a fighting chance, and 3) He told Octavia in the season finale that he let his revenge get the better of him, meaning he killed the Grounder army because he was angry about what Ice Nation did. Which doesn't make sense b/c Lexa already dealt with IN's disloyalty and Bellamy saw the guards drag the ambassador away (most likely to be executed). He killed Trikru Warriors, who weren't even involved in the massacre.


      Clarke, Monty, and Bellamy can't be blamed for the MW massacre. It was means at an end, the last resort. Kill or be killed. They didn't have a choice.

      Lexa let a bomb drop on her people to KEEP BELLAMY SAFE. If he was found out, the whole plan would go to ruins and nobody would be saved. Neither the MW massacre or Lexa's choice were senseless killings. The Culling happened because Bell tossed the radio and that made everyone think Earth wasn't survivable. They needed time to fix the problem because they believed they had to stay in space now that Earth wasn't an option. Again, not senseless... Unless you count the fact that they didn't need to die if Bellamy wasn't so selfish.

      Also, the sex thing, that's your opinion but some people don't find anything wrong with causal sex. To me, as long as it's consensual and both parties (or in that case three) are old enough and understand the possible consequences, it shouldn't be a problem. Anyway, the show is centered around teenagers/very young adults, who do that all of the time. It's just how life is and it's not a big deal. It was literally 5 seconds out of the whole episode and not worth mentioning.


      Bellamy, like many characters, isn't a bad person. He just made really bad choices. I still just wish he would have felt more remorse for the massacre, and I don't mean just sorry O and Clarke were pissed at him either.

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    • TotallyTinkerbell wrote: I'm not comparing Lexa to Bellamy. That whole argument is pointless and I'm not getting into it. I pointed out many other crimes, and you picked Bellamy vs Lexa out of that entire list. I'm just saying everyone has killed, at this point. For survival. Kill or be killed. Survival of the fittest. Theme of the show.

      And if you think Lexa did nothing wrong, she was raised like that, and that Bellamy is a monster with no regrets, then you fail to see the point of the show. There are no good guys, there are no bad guys. Characters make mistakes, characters redeem themselves, and the entire show is set in a grey area.

      If you're concerned about me not condescending a character and slut-shaming them, then idk what to tell you. That threesome was the most Bellamy thing to do at that point in his story. It totally fit. Was it needed? No. Was it disgusting? No. But truthfully we don't know much about it either. So I just think it's stupid to go and judge that and call him disgusting and criticize his actions, all the while ignoring all the good things, and excusing other characters on the show for doing equally monstrous things. Bellamy isn't perfect. Nobody on this show is.

      & I have legit NEVER heard Eliza compare Clarke to Katniss. This show is in fact not marketed towards Hunger Games. In fact it was promoted as BattleStar Galactica meets Lord of the Flies. All the reviews at the beginning of the show pointed out how it was much darker then normal teen science-fiction, even dark for the CW standards. Yes, the hunger games is about empowering young female with morals. I actually liked it. And that is something that it has in common with the show. But The 100 is much darker. 

      Taya everyone did bad things to survive but Bellamy is the only one who never learned that his actions were wrong. Bellamy Blake is the definition of a sociopath. He doesn't better himself, he makes himself worse. If he were a decent person, he would have showed real remorse for those killings but he didn't because he believes he was right. Regarding Lexa and the bomb I agree with Omega Werewolf. She actually wasn't even the one to bomb them though so you have to remember that. She just knew not long beforehand that it would happen but she did nothing to warn them because realistically, she couldn't save them. The only way she could have helped is by giving herself and Clarke away. But she didn't want to do that to put Clarke in danger. She even said to her "not everyone. Not you" when referring to the people she let burn. I am not justifying her actions by any means. But I am saying Taya, that if you were in her shoes and were constantly faced with these life or death decisions, I would think you would struggle and make bad choices just as much.

      As for Bellamy, my point is that his decisions to torture and kill were done from his own free will, he didn't have to make those choices because he had to like Lexa. He did because he WANTED to. That's the difference.

      And to both you and Omega Werewolf I think your attitudes towards sex are insane. You both think sex minus the love and a man sleeping with two women at the same time is acceptable? I'm sorry but that is the attitude is naive, lacks basic moral standards and dignity and is plain WRONG. Taya you also didn't answer my question regarding this. These things do reflect real life issues. Now you can both answer me, what if a little baby was to be brought into that mess or two even considering it is two women. I mean they are not even practicing safe sex so stds are also definitely on the cards. Both of you answer me. If Bellamy had got them pregnant what would your attitude be? And don't answer me it didn't because if it was in the real world it would and has happened. Tell me what you would do about the baby? Would you both be so sick in the head to tell me that this would have a happy ending?

      Bellamy Blake deserves every inch of shaming he gets. Women should not be viewed as blow up dolls but as human beings. And he needs to stay the hell away from Clarke. He is messed up in so many ways and yes Taya, I do believe more so than even the average character on this show. But do enlighten me about your theory on such "equal monstrosities" that were committed by others. Was anyone else treating women like human blow up dolls too that I missed or something along those lines? Yes Omega Werewolf it is my opinion of casual sex minus the love and I hope you were never the product of it because it will ruin your life. "It's just life and it's no big deal"?! COULDN'T BE MORE WRONG.

      Taya I didn't say everyone was perfect on the show but not everyone is as messed up in so many ways as Bellamy. And Taya, you say "we don't know much about it" regarding the threesome? We know enough. It is actually mentioned on this wikia and I can tell you one of the girls is Roma Braggs and it is complete with a photo. Like I said, we know enough. And we SHOULD ALL know that it is wrong. If not, I can do nothing but feel sorry and shame for you.

      Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it does not exist Taya. The 100 has been compared to lots of things (and actually many of the things it had been compared to like Lord of the Flies, the Hunger Games has also been compared to). But when it first aired, there were LOTS of Hunger Games comparisons because it was the time when every dystopian future project released was compared and contrasted to THG. But if you watch one of the cast's very first interviews on youtube about the show, it is mentioned there. They are also sitting on a couch, Thomas McDonnell was there too and Jason, Marie, Eliza, and the interviewer asks them about its similarities with Hunger Games. Eliza goes on to draw comparisons between Clarke and Katniss, saying also that she definitely got a "Katniss vibe" from her character. And in an article I recently read about season 4, Eliza was interviewed and in the end she says something like Katniss didn't have time for relationships guys "referring to the fact that Clarke is too busy saving the world right now too". But if you don't believe me I can try to find it again and post the link here. So basically yes, The 100 was marketed towards The Hunger Games fans and comparisons have been drawn. The 100 is darker, that's true. But you say you knew that nobody would die in THG? Were you so hard hearted that you weren't shocked and bawled when Rue, Finnick and little Primrose were killed, oh and Cinna (although I cried reading it rather than seeing it because it was poorly done on screen). But basically most people I know didn't have the attitude you do.

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    • ^Honestly, let the sex thing go. It's your opinion but you still don't have a right to tell others what to do with their bodies. If somebody wants to have casual sex, then that's their business.

      I totally understand why you say what you do, though. That's why I said both parties should understand and be willing to accept the possible consequences of their actions. Anyway, while no method is 100% safe, JR did mention the women had contraceptive implants, and we saw many Arkers getting them removed in the beginning of S3 in hopes to start a family. Also, Bellamy's treatment of the girls was no different than how they treated him. They couldn't have possibly loved him at that time, yet they decided to have causal sex. Why blame just Bellamy when they ALL consented to it? If you think Bellamy treated girls like blow up dolls, well, they treated him like some toy they could easily "get something" out of whenever they wanted. It's not like he took advantage of real romantic feelings they had for him, they didn't love him either.

      Besides, the whole point of that 5 second scene was just to show how much Bellamy's chatacter grew. We saw him having sex with a bunch of girls in S1, but then settle down and find "love" with Gina in S3. It represented character development.

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    • Everyone on the Ark had birth control implants. The writers adressed that on twitter when Octavia had sex with Lincoln. 

      As far as the rest of this thread goes: I've explained my point of view. I'm not going to go around and spend my time on discussing The Hunger Games, characters having sex on the show, people getting killed on this show, and whatever else is mentioned. You're very quick to throw around words like 'sociopath' , 'insane' and whatever other nouns you used. I understand it is to explain your views of the characters, but using words like that is a bit much. 

      Aside from that, this thread is a discussion thread for 4x02 and so I think we should stick to the episode from now on :)

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    • Anyway, back to the episode.

      What'd you think of the choice to use the bomb to save the slaves instead of saving the world? Tough decision.

      But I think the SP should have tried asking King Roan to free the slaves. Or at least have Echo go do it so he doesn't look soft. I feel like the SP could have traded supplies in for them, so I don't think the bomb was necessary. I mean, what's the point? If the world is going to end, they're dead anyways.

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    • TotallyTinkerbell wrote:
      Everyone on the Ark had birth control implants. The writers adressed that on twitter when Octavia had sex with Lincoln. 

      As far as the rest of this thread goes: I've explained my point of view. I'm not going to go around and spend my time on discussing The Hunger Games, characters having sex on the show, people getting killed on this show, and whatever else is mentioned. You're very quick to throw around words like 'sociopath' , 'insane' and whatever other nouns you used. I understand it is to explain your views of the characters, but using words like that is a bit much. 

      Aside from that, this thread is a discussion thread for 4x02 and so I think we should stick to the episode from now on :)


      Oh no, I think this is all very relevant actually. You don't like the words I use because it is bloody well the truth and you are just shoving your fingers in your ears because you don't want to hear it. But the truth hurts and sometimes the only way to get that across is with very apt vocabulary. You can't question my opinion further because even you have to admit my argument is a valid one.

      And why were these so called implants addressed on Jason's Twitter and not on the show? He just fills people in on the things we don't see? Sounds more like he is humoring people and making it up as he goes along. As I said, this show portrays real life values and it is no good with him just explaining things in a sentence on Twitter when people watching the show don't see or hear anything about it. I for one don't recall them being removed in season 3 and if they did, it was not made obvious.

      And no Omega Werewolf I will not let it go because it is a serious matter and I think I have every right to voice my opinion on the man everyone worships to point out his Christian Grey characteristics. Yeah a lot of the Sky girls were naive, promiscuous and shameful to go along with it but those two he slept with for example, weren't hyped up like Bellamy and put on a pedistal for it. In fact, they were both killed. And Omega Werewolf, it is not just life, it does matter. I recommend you to visit a foster home one day and see for yourself the collateral damage that the stupidity and selfishness of casual sex can cause. Or abortion clinics, those too. Even if Jason is telling the truth about implants, they don't always work. Exhibit A; Octavia. Sorry but I just don't believe in praising a character like Bellamy for viewing women like that. He witnessed it from the way his own mother let men treat her and now he thinks it is normal. And he knew Gina for 5 minutes, was she really love or just another girl to take his mind off things?

      So no, I won't be satisfied until Bellamy who is one of the most disgraced, messed up characters on the show finally gets what's coming to him. He needs to stay away from Clarke, leave or take a very significant back seat because honestly, it is putting people off the show that has so many flaws now already. It is not natural it is erotic. 

      And Taya, how about if you want to watch something like that, go watch Fifty Shades of Grey because this is a survival show. See how it works? Not nice is it.


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    • Oh and by the way, plot hole... how did Octavia have an implant when previously her existence was unknown? We never saw her get one on earth, are we supposed to use our imaginations? Yeah, Jason is totally making it up as he goes along.

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    • TheOmegaWerewolf wrote:
      Anyway, back to the episode.

      What'd you think of the choice to use the bomb to save the slaves instead of saving the world? Tough decision.

      But I think the SP should have tried asking King Roan to free the slaves. Or at least have Echo go do it so he doesn't look soft. I feel like the SP could have traded supplies in for them, so I don't think the bomb was necessary. I mean, what's the point? If the world is going to end, they're dead anyways.

      Though I personally would've taken the hydro generator, I think Bellamy made the morally and ethically correct decision for sure.

      I don't think King Roan would've been able to free the slaves especially since they were being moved (and we and likely he had no idea where to.) Also, Dakiva said "the banished prince is not my king" so I doubt she or Tybe would've listened, unfortunately.

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    • 95.83.253.25 wrote:
      Oh and by the way, plot hole... how did Octavia have an implant when previously her existence was unknown? We never saw her get one on earth, are we supposed to use our imaginations? Yeah, Jason is totally making it up as he goes along.

      She probable got the implant when the found out she existed.I believe one of her parents was "floated" for having her.

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    • This episode clearly put their goals (which are absurd by the way) in danger. As I see it their only chance to meet those goals is to go to the house where Jaha met ALIE and get the technology they need and more there. After all the bunker Murphy found and was stuck in, worked perfectly.

      I loved it how they bothered to explain how and why those nuclear power plants held on for so long completely unmanned.

      Octavia although becoming one badass killer, is becoming too comfortable in her role. I really doubt that this Octavia was what Lincoln wanted her to be. She's become too cold too fast. And we all know how the living by the sword thing goes...

      I found it interesting that ALIE "upgrades" remained even after ALIE is gone. Like we saw with Raven. It does raises the question "May ALIE still be alive, inside someone else? That she taken over a body or is buried inside someone else's consciousness, and will emerge eventually?"

      But the entire plot has one major flaw. If such reactors really already went into meltdown mode, then the Earth will remain uninhabitable for at least a thousand years. So, no matter how much they can rebuild of the Ark it simply will not be able to withstand people for so long. Not without some really amazing technology. Because for one thousand years no critical system of the Ark can fail. Just one major failure and everyone dies. So in that regard the show is really pushing credibility to its maximum.

      Honestly if this show is to have any future or any more seasons, it will most likely be because in ALIE house they'll find some nanotechnology. Raven uses her prodigious programming skills to program them to feed of the radiation. Convert it into other non lethal elements, and thus the world is saved very conveniently. Raven does the work, Clarke pulls a lever and the world is saved in the last episode.

      And for a possible next season. The same nanomachines used to save them, evolves beyond its programming. And that's how season 4 ends. We see some animal or group of animals being swallowed up by some sort of goo or mass, and from that we get new cybernetic creatures. And from there on we could call this show Horizon. Because it would be basically the same as the game. Humans having to fight against the machines.

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    • Wri-El wrote:

      Honestly if this show is to have any future or any more seasons, it will most likely be because in ALIE house they'll find some nanotechnology. Raven uses her prodigious programming skills to program them to feed of the radiation. Convert it into other non lethal elements, and thus the world is saved very conveniently. Raven does the work, Clarke pulls a lever and the world is saved in the last episode.

      And for a possible next season. The same nanomachines used to save them, evolves beyond its programming. And that's how season 4 ends. We see some animal or group of animals being swallowed up by some sort of goo or mass, and from that we get new cybernetic creatures. And from there on we could call this show Horizon. Because it would be basically the same as the game. Humans having to fight against the machines.

      Really far-fetched in my opinion... Anyway if Jason decides once again to have the unfortunate and ridiculous idea of making a complete (even bigger) mess of the show, i think it will definitely be put out of its misery and cancelled before we have to watch it completely get off the rails like that and become a totally different kind of show from the one we started watching and love.

      But I totally agree he took the storyline to an extremely complex direction, very difficult to develop in a credible plausible way. They already are and will absolutely be pushing credibility to its maximum this season.

      As for Octavia, she's actually one of the very few characters still left that actually makes me want to keep watching the show and keeps me interested... she's become such a badass and i love it ! She's become to cold too fast 'cause basically her life also fell apart too fast, it's more than justified the way she is right now and it totally suits her.

      Oh and loved Octavia's new grounder tattoo and the whole look actually... so cool and sexy !

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    • Show addict wrote:
      Wri-El wrote:

      Honestly if this show is to have any future or any more seasons, it will most likely be because in ALIE house they'll find some nanotechnology. Raven uses her prodigious programming skills to program them to feed of the radiation. Convert it into other non lethal elements, and thus the world is saved very conveniently. Raven does the work, Clarke pulls a lever and the world is saved in the last episode.

      And for a possible next season. The same nanomachines used to save them, evolves beyond its programming. And that's how season 4 ends. We see some animal or group of animals being swallowed up by some sort of goo or mass, and from that we get new cybernetic creatures. And from there on we could call this show Horizon. Because it would be basically the same as the game. Humans having to fight against the machines.

      Really far-fetched in my opinion... Anyway if Jason decides once again to have the unfortunate and ridiculous idea of making a complete (even bigger) mess of the show, i think it will definitely be put out of its misery and cancelled before we have to watch it completely get off the rails like that and become a totally different kind of show from the one we started watching and love.

      But I totally agree he took the storyline to an extremely complex direction, very difficult to develop in a credible plausible way. They already are and will absolutely be pushing credibility to its maximum this season.

      As for Octavia, she's actually one of the very few characters still left that actually makes me want to keep watching the show and keeps me interested... she's become such a badass and i love it ! She's become to cold too fast 'cause basically her life also fell apart too fast, it's more than justified the way she is right now and it totally suits her.

      Oh and loved Octavia's new grounder tattoo and the whole look actually... so cool and sexy !

      I don't think Bellamy was impressed though. But yeah, I agree, a second apocalypse caused by an A.I was really overboard. I don't want The 100 to be cancelled at all though, I just want it to be fixed. I want more grounders, less sky people and I want Lexa!!!!! Ughhh I miss her so much, out of any tv show or movie ever she was the one person I was urging to live, the ONE person!!! But the last couple of episodes of season 4 were frustrating. I miss her, it's like a huge chunk of the show is gone. :(

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      I don't think Bellamy was impressed though. But yeah, I agree, a second apocalypse caused by an A.I was really overboard. I don't want The 100 to be cancelled at all though, I just want it to be fixed. I want more grounders, less sky people and I want Lexa!!!!! Ughhh I miss her so much, out of any tv show or movie ever she was the one person I was urging to live, the ONE person!!! But the last couple of episodes of season 4 were frustrating. I miss her, it's like a huge chunk of the show is gone. :(

      I totally know what you mean i feel it too... everytime they talk about Lexa i miss her and imagine how awesome the show would still be with her in it.

      I feel like we've missed a whole interesting important storyline that could and should have been the third season... the war between the clans due to disagreements over the coalition and/or the war between the coalition and Azgeda, with Lexa leading in her awesome badass clever way.

      This was everything I wanted and was expecting to see before they decided to take the show down the hill and started killing everyone making the story a complete mess, with everyone turning against each other and leaving no one to lead the coalition.

      Anyway this is nothing but water under the bridge now and there's nothing we can do about it unfortunately... Let's just hope they find a way to make the show interesting again even after the loss of all the characters they killed last season and the loss of one of the most incredible and unique characters ever, Lexa.

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      95.83.253.25 wrote:

      I don't think Bellamy was impressed though. But yeah, I agree, a second apocalypse caused by an A.I was really overboard. I don't want The 100 to be cancelled at all though, I just want it to be fixed. I want more grounders, less sky people and I want Lexa!!!!! Ughhh I miss her so much, out of any tv show or movie ever she was the one person I was urging to live, the ONE person!!! But the last couple of episodes of season 4 were frustrating. I miss her, it's like a huge chunk of the show is gone. :(

      I totally know what you mean i feel it too... everytime they talk about Lexa i miss her and imagine how awesome the show would still be with her in it.

      I feel like we've missed a whole interesting important storyline that could and should have been the third season... the war between the clans due to disagreements over the coalition and/or the war between the coalition and Azgeda, with Lexa leading in her awesome badass clever way.

      This was everything I wanted and was expecting to see before they decided to take the show down the hill and started killing everyone making the story a complete mess, with everyone turning against each other and leaving no one to lead the coalition.

      Anyway this is nothing but water under the bridge now and there's nothing we can do about it unfortunately... Let's just hope they find a way to make the show interesting again even after the loss of all the characters they killed last season and the loss of one of the most incredible and unique characters ever, Lexa.

      Well they actually could bring her back, I don't believe it is impossible for that to come into play at all, there were a lot of plot holes surrounding her death. And honestly I am all for it. This show needs her. I think we all know she could have made it go further but now it won't go very far at sll. And honestly, it may very soon get to the stage where even I will have to stop watching it.

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    • 178.167.254.28 wrote:

      Show addict wrote:

      95.83.253.25 wrote:

      I don't think Bellamy was impressed though. But yeah, I agree, a second apocalypse caused by an A.I was really overboard. I don't want The 100 to be cancelled at all though, I just want it to be fixed. I want more grounders, less sky people and I want Lexa!!!!! Ughhh I miss her so much, out of any tv show or movie ever she was the one person I was urging to live, the ONE person!!! But the last couple of episodes of season 4 were frustrating. I miss her, it's like a huge chunk of the show is gone. :(

      I totally know what you mean i feel it too... everytime they talk about Lexa i miss her and imagine how awesome the show would still be with her in it.

      I feel like we've missed a whole interesting important storyline that could and should have been the third season... the war between the clans due to disagreements over the coalition and/or the war between the coalition and Azgeda, with Lexa leading in her awesome badass clever way.

      This was everything I wanted and was expecting to see before they decided to take the show down the hill and started killing everyone making the story a complete mess, with everyone turning against each other and leaving no one to lead the coalition.

      Anyway this is nothing but water under the bridge now and there's nothing we can do about it unfortunately... Let's just hope they find a way to make the show interesting again even after the loss of all the characters they killed last season and the loss of one of the most incredible and unique characters ever, Lexa.

      Well they actually could bring her back, I don't believe it is impossible for that to come into play at all, there were a lot of plot holes surrounding her death. And honestly I am all for it. This show needs her. I think we all know she could have made it go further but now it won't go very far at sll. And honestly, it may very soon get to the stage where even I will have to stop watching it.

      I think if they were desperate they would try to consider it, definitely.  So many people I know stopped watching The 100 because attempting to kill Lexa permanently was such a stupid thing to do. Characters like her and actors like Alycia do not grow on trees. The 100 will never ever find a replacement for her or anyone half as good even, the show absolutely needs her. It barely made it through season 1 with the people it had.

      I am still watching for Eliza but am struggling to appreciate Clarke and her decisions anymore. I do feel like she is partly responsible for Lexa's death, she told her not to retaliate and she SAW that Lexa's people were trying to kill her for it and STILL she was going to sleep with her and then just basically feed her to the lions?! And for her to unrealistically move on from who was supposed to be the love of her life is both shallow, cruel AND a betrayal to the girl who literally died for her, TWICE. I would refuse to root for Clarke and nobody else on the show is of value to me, Clarke is just like her mother in a lot of negative ways. 

      So yeah, maybe with the direction it is going in, out of respect for the unique character that was Lexa, I won't stick around much longer to watch Clarke completely forget about her and jump into someone elses bed in 5 minutes. This show makes a mockery of love and death. And if people think it has a very bright future ahead of itself in the direction it has turned and without Lexa, think again! WORST SEASON EVER.

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      Really far-fetched in my opinion... Anyway if Jason decides once again to have the unfortunate and ridiculous idea of making a complete (even bigger) mess of the show, i think it will definitely be put out of its misery and cancelled before we have to watch it completely get off the rails like that and become a totally different kind of show from the one we started watching and love.

      But I totally agree he took the storyline to an extremely complex direction, very difficult to develop in a credible plausible way. They already are and will absolutely be pushing credibility to its maximum this season.

      As for Octavia, she's actually one of the very few characters still left that actually makes me want to keep watching the show and keeps me interested... she's become such a badass and i love it ! She's become to cold too fast 'cause basically her life also fell apart too fast, it's more than justified the way she is right now and it totally suits her.

      Oh and loved Octavia's new grounder tattoo and the whole look actually... so cool and sexy !

      Difficult situation is really cutting it short. More like impossible.

      Stopping or surviving a nuclear cloud that will pretty much sterilize the Earth for the next who know how much hundreds or thousands of years. That's the definition of an impossible situation. More so given the resources available to them.

      Sure. Nanotechnology would be stretching it. But the past season was already about nanotechnology. So what's a little more. If nothing more to devour all the radiation and in a Fallout 3 kind of ending, cleanse the environment at least. No animal machines. That was just me joking around.

      But a clean environment and preferably the discovery of new survivors of the first nuclear fallout, would be cool.

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    • 178.167.254.28 wrote:

      Well they actually could bring her back, I don't believe it is impossible for that to come into play at all, there were a lot of plot holes surrounding her death. And honestly I am all for it. This show needs her. I think we all know she could have made it go further but now it won't go very far at sll. And honestly, it may very soon get to the stage where even I will have to stop watching it.

      Ah... Actually Lexa can't return.

      The actress Alycia Debnam-Carey, that did the role of Lexa is now in the Fear The Walking Dead, TV show. So unless that show ends, Lexa is not coming back. Not totally.

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    • Wri-El wrote:

      178.167.254.28 wrote:

      Well they actually could bring her back, I don't believe it is impossible for that to come into play at all, there were a lot of plot holes surrounding her death. And honestly I am all for it. This show needs her. I think we all know she could have made it go further but now it won't go very far at sll. And honestly, it may very soon get to the stage where even I will have to stop watching it.

      Ah... Actually Lexa can't return.

      The actress Alycia Debnam-Carey, that did the role of Lexa is now in the Fear The Walking Dead, TV show. So unless that show ends, Lexa is not coming back. Not totally.

      Well if you have been paying attention, you will have noticed that everyone has been saying FTWD has been an almighty let down, so was her character. A lot of people think that should be cancelled too and a lot of diehard TWD fans are not happy with it. The ratings for that have dropped very badly and average lower every season. And for half a year Alycia is doing next to nothing. I think she is surely feeling the burn of regret, since the beginning like at Copenhagen con, she was close to begging people to watch it, they only wanted to talk talk about Lexa, lol. The same Loo people that stalk her are the only ones to obsess over Fear, basically because it gives them new unsettling Alycia fanfics. And I think from her self 'promo' pics, Alycia knows the audience she is targeting, if you know what I mean.

      But I actually discussed this not too long ago with others, one of them was saying they didn't for one second buy that it was a complete schedule clash and she couldn't do both. It was more that sheis only wanted to dedicate her time to the show she thought would pay off for her (Fear the Walking Dead). It is no secret that she thought it would be HUGE. Guess she didn't antipate the criticism she would get and that her risk fell through, it is pretty clear now that she made the bad choice. If she stuck with Lexa, she could have been huge in her own right. But Alicia Clark? Hardly anyone is talking about that character, she is not unique or special. If Alycia wasn't Lexa first, nobody would know who she is at this stage.

      So do I think that if Jason did some serious grovelling, maybe even offering a bonus, that she might either ask to be killed off Fear or magically be able to do both again? I think it is VERY possible. Alycia knows who people really love, LEXA. And money talks. Unless Fear does so happen to get cancelled as you say. But that could still take a while.

      As for The 100 though, it totally needs her. I said it before and I will say it again, it's true ending should have been season 3. With the ratings downfall and its constant frustrating plot, it is rightly on its way out. NOBODY can replace Lexa no matter who they introduce. EVER. All the good characters except Clarke are already dead!

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      But I actually discussed this not too long ago with others, one of them was saying they didn't for one second buy that it was a complete schedule clash and she couldn't do both. It was more that sheis only wanted to dedicate her time to the show she thought would pay off for her (Fear the Walking Dead). It is no secret that she thought it would be HUGE. Guess she didn't antipate the criticism she would get and that her risk fell through, it is pretty clear now that she made the bad choice. If she stuck with Lexa, she could have been huge in her own right. But Alicia Clark? Hardly anyone is talking about that character, she is not unique or special. If Alycia wasn't Lexa first, nobody would know who she is at this stage.

      So do I think that if Jason did some serious grovelling, maybe even offering a bonus, that she might either ask to be killed off Fear or magically be able to do both again? I think it is VERY possible. Alycia knows who people really love, LEXA. And money talks. Unless Fear does so happen to get cancelled as you say. But that could still take a while.

      As for The 100 though, it totally needs her. I said it before and I will say it again, it's true ending should have been season 3. With the ratings downfall and its constant frustrating plot, it is rightly on its way out. NOBODY can replace Lexa no matter who they introduce. EVER. All the good characters except Clarke are already dead!

      Well you said a lot of things that are actually true, but i have to disagree with two:

      1. I don't think Alycia wanted to completely leave The 100 and definitely not for good, she loved Lexa and portraying her, it was clear. I think things got complicated with she being a regular on other show, and specially a supposedly big one with a demanding shooting schedule and Jason made the worse decision ever by killing her off instead of bothering to figure out a way of work around it and leave her storyline open, with the option of coming back if it was possible in the future, which had a high probability of happening. So he basically just wasted one of the most incredble characters ever, like that, like they grow on trees or something. So unbelievably stupid... i can't even begin to understand!

      2. Clarke isn't the only good character left, we still have Octavia who I think is an awesome badass character and there are others really cool like Raven, Roan, Indra...!

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    • Show addict wrote:

      178.167.254.163 wrote:

      But I actually discussed this not too long ago with others, one of them was saying they didn't for one second buy that it was a complete schedule clash and she couldn't do both. It was more that sheis only wanted to dedicate her time to the show she thought would pay off for her (Fear the Walking Dead). It is no secret that she thought it would be HUGE. Guess she didn't antipate the criticism she would get and that her risk fell through, it is pretty clear now that she made the bad choice. If she stuck with Lexa, she could have been huge in her own right. But Alicia Clark? Hardly anyone is talking about that character, she is not unique or special. If Alycia wasn't Lexa first, nobody would know who she is at this stage.

      So do I think that if Jason did some serious grovelling, maybe even offering a bonus, that she might either ask to be killed off Fear or magically be able to do both again? I think it is VERY possible. Alycia knows who people really love, LEXA. And money talks. Unless Fear does so happen to get cancelled as you say. But that could still take a while.

      As for The 100 though, it totally needs her. I said it before and I will say it again, it's true ending should have been season 3. With the ratings downfall and its constant frustrating plot, it is rightly on its way out. NOBODY can replace Lexa no matter who they introduce. EVER. All the good characters except Clarke are already dead!

      Well you said a lot of things that are actually true, but i have to disagree with two:

      1. I don't think Alycia wanted to completely leave The 100 and definitely not for good, she loved Lexa and portraying her, it was clear. I think things got complicated with she being a regular on other show, and specially a supposedly big one with a demanding shooting schedule and Jason made the worse decision ever by killing her off instead of bothering to figure out a way of work around it and leave her storyline open, with the option of coming back if it was possible in the future, which had a high probability of happening. So he basically just wasted one of the most incredble characters ever, like that, like they grow on trees or something. So unbelievably stupid... i can't even begin to understand!

      2. Clarke isn't the only good character left, we still have Octavia who I think is an awesome badass character and there are others really cool like Raven, Roan, Indra...!

      It is hard to know what went through Alycia's head, she as an actress has done some things in the past that I would have otherwise considered out of character and surprising, but not in a good way. Maybe she is ruled by money and the LA socialite life. Maybe she did just want to go for the money maker. Of course she probably loved playing such a unique character like Lexa. But Alycia like many actors, thinks about the money side of things, which she can get more out of. But if she is having to beg people to watch her other show and send out some pics of herself to promote it, that is not great for her. And right now she is likely trapped in her contract but if Jason offered enough, I do think she would make an effort to just deal with the two busy schedules again.

      So essentially I wouldn't worry too much about Alycia because I think she would be open to it and would try to make it work, considering she got a bit arrogant in the first place and now has been brought back down to earth with a bang by how insignificant Fear and her character turned out to be in comparison. As I said, she knows who is loved, Lexa.

      And I have to disagree, I find characters like Raven and Octavia aggressive, moody and annoying now. None of the girls and not the new ones either, were quite as amazing as Lexa. Because if Clarke died, for me the show definitely might aswell be over, I wouldn't watch any of the others on it. Roan is cool I admit but they always make those ones into baddies so because they are kinda changing him, I am not impressed and am possibly wasting my time rooting for him.

      But the fact is, no new character they introduce will be good enough at this stage, nobody is up to Alycia's standards and Lexa's sheer uniqueness. So for me Clarke is the only one worth watching. But I have been so bored with it lately, I am considering tuning out and not having to endure the tortorpus storylines to come and perhaps only tune back in when Jason in a last ditch panic, mighg give Alycia a call. And forget Fear the Walking Dead too, I will not watch anymore of that again, it was terrible!! And everything, the characters the plot, the acting. The only thing I would say is it is less controversial than the 100. So I might just end it soon and only tune in if things change, because this show just isn't doing it for a lot of folks anymore.

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    • 178.167.254.92 wrote:

      Show addict wrote:

      178.167.254.163 wrote:

      But I actually discussed this not too long ago with others, one of them was saying they didn't for one second buy that it was a complete schedule clash and she couldn't do both. It was more that sheis only wanted to dedicate her time to the show she thought would pay off for her (Fear the Walking Dead). It is no secret that she thought it would be HUGE. Guess she didn't antipate the criticism she would get and that her risk fell through, it is pretty clear now that she made the bad choice. If she stuck with Lexa, she could have been huge in her own right. But Alicia Clark? Hardly anyone is talking about that character, she is not unique or special. If Alycia wasn't Lexa first, nobody would know who she is at this stage.

      So do I think that if Jason did some serious grovelling, maybe even offering a bonus, that she might either ask to be killed off Fear or magically be able to do both again? I think it is VERY possible. Alycia knows who people really love, LEXA. And money talks. Unless Fear does so happen to get cancelled as you say. But that could still take a while.

      As for The 100 though, it totally needs her. I said it before and I will say it again, it's true ending should have been season 3. With the ratings downfall and its constant frustrating plot, it is rightly on its way out. NOBODY can replace Lexa no matter who they introduce. EVER. All the good characters except Clarke are already dead!

      Well you said a lot of things that are actually true, but i have to disagree with two:

      1. I don't think Alycia wanted to completely leave The 100 and definitely not for good, she loved Lexa and portraying her, it was clear. I think things got complicated with she being a regular on other show, and specially a supposedly big one with a demanding shooting schedule and Jason made the worse decision ever by killing her off instead of bothering to figure out a way of work around it and leave her storyline open, with the option of coming back if it was possible in the future, which had a high probability of happening. So he basically just wasted one of the most incredble characters ever, like that, like they grow on trees or something. So unbelievably stupid... i can't even begin to understand!

      2. Clarke isn't the only good character left, we still have Octavia who I think is an awesome badass character and there are others really cool like Raven, Roan, Indra...!

      It is hard to know what went through Alycia's head, she as an actress has done some things in the past that I would have otherwise considered out of character and surprising, but not in a good way. Maybe she is ruled by money and the LA socialite life. Maybe she did just want to go for the money maker. Of course she probably loved playing such a unique character like Lexa. But Alycia like many actors, thinks about the money side of things, which she can get more out of. But if she is having to beg people to watch her other show and send out some pics of herself to promote it, that is not great for her. And right now she is likely trapped in her contract but if Jason offered enough, I do think she would make an effort to just deal with the two busy schedules again.

      So essentially I wouldn't worry too much about Alycia because I think she would be open to it and would try to make it work, considering she got a bit arrogant in the first place and now has been brought back down to earth with a bang by how insignificant Fear and her character turned out to be in comparison. As I said, she knows who is loved, Lexa.

      And I have to disagree, I find characters like Raven and Octavia aggressive, moody and annoying now. None of the girls and not the new ones either, were quite as amazing as Lexa. Because if Clarke died, for me the show definitely might aswell be over, I wouldn't watch any of the others on it. Roan is cool I admit but they always make those ones into baddies so because they are kinda changing him, I am not impressed and am possibly wasting my time rooting for him.

      But the fact is, no new character they introduce will be good enough at this stage, nobody is up to Alycia's standards and Lexa's sheer uniqueness. So for me Clarke is the only one worth watching. But I have been so bored with it lately, I am considering tuning out and not having to endure the tortorpus storylines to come and perhaps only tune back in when Jason in a last ditch panic, mighg give Alycia a call. And forget Fear the Walking Dead too, I will not watch anymore of that again, it was terrible!! And everything, the characters the plot, the acting. The only thing I would say is it is less controversial than the 100. So I might just end it soon and only tune in if things change, because this show just isn't doing it for a lot of folks anymore.

      You can't blame Alycia for leaving the show, I blame Jason for not  signing her to a contract that kept her on the show. Alycia did what was best for her career as a young actress trying to establish herself. The" Walking Dead"  franchise is a proven hit ,so it makes perfect sense to join FTWD. As an actor you are always trying to reach a wider audience and FTWD offered that.

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      Well if you have been paying attention, you will have noticed that everyone has been saying FTWD has been an almighty let down, so was her character. A lot of people think that should be cancelled too and a lot of diehard TWD fans are not happy with it. The ratings for that have dropped very badly and average lower every season. And for half a year Alycia is doing next to nothing. I think she is surely feeling the burn of regret, since the beginning like at Copenhagen con, she was close to begging people to watch it, they only wanted to talk talk about Lexa, lol. The same Loo people that stalk her are the only ones to obsess over Fear, basically because it gives them new unsettling Alycia fanfics. And I think from her self 'promo' pics, Alycia knows the audience she is targeting, if you know what I mean.

      But I actually discussed this not too long ago with others, one of them was saying they didn't for one second buy that it was a complete schedule clash and she couldn't do both. It was more that sheis only wanted to dedicate her time to the show she thought would pay off for her (Fear the Walking Dead). It is no secret that she thought it would be HUGE. Guess she didn't antipate the criticism she would get and that her risk fell through, it is pretty clear now that she made the bad choice. If she stuck with Lexa, she could have been huge in her own right. But Alicia Clark? Hardly anyone is talking about that character, she is not unique or special. If Alycia wasn't Lexa first, nobody would know who she is at this stage.

      So do I think that if Jason did some serious grovelling, maybe even offering a bonus, that she might either ask to be killed off Fear or magically be able to do both again? I think it is VERY possible. Alycia knows who people really love, LEXA. And money talks. Unless Fear does so happen to get cancelled as you say. But that could still take a while.

      As for The 100 though, it totally needs her. I said it before and I will say it again, it's true ending should have been season 3. With the ratings downfall and its constant frustrating plot, it is rightly on its way out. NOBODY can replace Lexa no matter who they introduce. EVER. All the good characters except Clarke are already dead!

      Then I guess you've also not been paying attention, have you?

      This show, The 100, is walking the razor edge. One wrong move and it ends. In fact the way this season was set up, was to put a end to this show.

      Yes, they say that night blood is the answer for everyone to survive, but there's a few problems that the show seems to be trying to throw sand to people's faces.

      1. Even with the new conveniently discovered high tech lab - that even before this season started I already discussed how I believed something like this was gonna be found - I'd like to know which geneticist is gonna discover how to give everyone night blood. It's already one hell of a stretch that Raven out of nowhere became a expert programmer, if she or someone else out of nowhere also becomes a expert geneticist, I'm calling it mega BS right now.

      2. Even if everyone or most of them gain night blood, how are they gonna survive even then. Luna got extremely sick just by eating radioactive fish. Imagine when the very air they breathe is filled with radioactivity. When the water is filled with radioactivity. When everything from plants to animals start to die out because of the nuclear fallout. What are they gonna eat or drink, for that matter. Or simply survive in a world where basically everything is dead or dying. And will remain so for centuries if not millenia.

      So this show is also on the edge of the abyss. Not sure if it's gonna survive this season less alone the idea of more seasons being made.

      It's true that they were at least clever in revealing why the new generation of nuclear reactors took so long to go on meltdown mode. I'll give them credit for that, but the "wall" is there nonetheless. The show corner itself into a wall, and no matter how much night blood they throw in the face of the viewers. No one is that stupid or ignorant, to the point they don't even think "Okay, you gave a way for humans to survive radioactivity, to some degree. But what of everything else? The environment. How are they gonna survive in a constant irradiated environment!?"

      So Alycia in a way she's well where she is right now. Because as of this moment she coming back would be hyper BS, and it would serve no real purpose. And she could only return as a kind of ghostly character.

      Let's say that Lexa mind somehow survived. Well, her body is quite dead and decaying, so any chance for her to return as a person is gone. Lexa aka Alycia would've to resign herself to let's say, share the body and mind of Clarke and maybe guide her. Which would be a role that would suck for any actress.

      So as I see it, bad as the FTWD might be right now. At least it's got options. It can improve if they just make the characters do more relevant things. At least there, she can actually act. To leave that for another show which future is all but uncertain, would be shooting herself in both feet. If anything, if FTWD ends, Alycia needs to find a new show to go to. Because as of this season, The 100, seems to be at death door. The producers didn't create just one problem, but a whole series of them. So unless on that lab there's a time machine tucked away in a corner, and someone makes a daring trip to the past, The 100, is living its final season.

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    • Hey, what if Lexa had a twin sister and they put the flame in her and she becomes "Lexa". It's a  sci-fi  show, anything is possible.

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    • 68.132.187.232 wrote: Hey, what if Lexa had a twin sister and they put the flame in her and she becomes "Lexa". It's a  sci-fi  show, anything is possible.

      If Lexa had a twin sister than her twin would be already dead – either killed by Lexa herself or another novitiate during the Conclave (similar to how Luna killed her own brother).

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    • what if ?  what if ?  The writers are cleaver , they will find a way to bring her back if they want too. The real question is ,is her storyline relevant to where the show is heading , if it survives another season.

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      what if ?  what if ?  The writers are cleaver , they will find a way to bring her back if they want too. The real question is ,is her storyline relevant to where the show is heading , if it survives another season.

      I highly doubt it will. Bad enough that every solution Raven comes up with hits a wall, but now she's gotten even smarter. Not only that it seems she's not the only one. Everyone that had their chips disabled by an electromagnetic source are all in risk of possessing part of ALIE code.

      I mean... This is already starting to feel like the Matrix, only this time the One is Raven. She gets instant upgrades of intelligence. Hell, she even flew. Mentally but still, what I found interesting was that it seemed that like Neo, she had separated her mind from her body and was watching things as they were really happening. And so we can wonder with what the producers are gonna come up next. Telepathy? Telekinesis? This season is already going off the rails as it's.

      They needed the water purifier. It was used as a bomb. They needed fuel to go into space and make night blood, and the ark is blown to bits. So no fuel to go into space.

      If nothing else it seems the message is clear... They're all gonna die!

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