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    21:52, March 6, 2016

    Alright guys. Huge reveals this episode, a lot of information about the history of both the Sky People and the Grounders. Let's discuss episode 3x07 "Thirteen" 

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    • WTF did they do to Octavia? Why is her head so far up Clarke's ass? And that whole Indra reunion scene. *shudder* Clarke still managed to be even worse than her in this episode, though. Still completely worthless to everyone who "needs" her, including Lexa.

      No wonder JR made sure everyone saw Lexa for the finale. And since most of us figured out the Becca-Commander-Polis-ALIE 2.0-Nightblood stuff weeks ago, even the ending wasn't as impressive as they claimed.

      Wow. And this one is supposed to be the "best" episode this season.... I'd say it's around an 8/10.

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    • Actually many people had no idea about the link between Becca and the Commanders. I had guessed it, but it could have meant a lot of things that I thought maybe it would be something different after all.

      In terms of Octavia, I think last episode she realised how far gone her brother was and she turned to the only leader that she still trusted within the Sky People. The only person who could change anything was Clarke. Arkadia needs her, maybe Octavia didn't (Octavia needed Indra) but Octavia was there to represent the Sky People for Clarke.

      In terms of the Indra/Octavia interactions, didn't like the reunion scene much, but I did like the ending. Indra slipped for a bit but she's back on her feet now!

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    • TotallyTinkerbell wrote:
      Octavia was there to represent the Sky People for Clarke.

      In terms of the Indra/Octavia interactions, didn't like the reunion scene much, but I did like the ending. Indra slipped for a bit but she's back on her feet now!

      I thought Clarke was there to represent the Sky People.... She is just as bad an ambassador as Abby was a chancellor.

      The Indra/Octavia reunion was just another racist nail in the JR coffin. White savior rescuing the poor WOC whose life has fallen apart and giving her purpose to live.

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    • BTW im sorting through all the characters this season and putting them on which faction they belong to-grounders or arkers but i dont know where to place these 3, i dont remember where they are from


      bill, zeke and enera(her name sounds very grounderish)

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    • kinda disappointed. flashbacks of Joss Whedon killing off Tara in Buffy with a stray bullet...so not cool taht another lesbian couple bites the dust...also not original, but my god did the actresses pull it off, I actucally almost cried unlike when tara died I didn't feel  it the way I did today with this episode. :-)

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    • 108.1.92.120 wrote:
      kinda disappointed. flashbacks of Joss Whedon killing off Tara in Buffy with a stray bullet...so not cool taht another lesbian couple bites the dust...also not original, but my god did the actresses pull it off, I actucally almost cried unlike when tara died I didn't feel  it the way I did today with this episode. :-)

      Yep. The second Lexa was hit by the bullet, I was like, "she just got Jossed." I'm still bitter over Tara. They made her a main cast in the same episode they killed her.

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    • they pulled a tara maclay. i can't believe they pulled a tara maclay. it was literally a scene-for-scene regurgitation of tara maclay. the bedroom. the bullet. the accidental death.

      that was the worst.

      that was just cruel.

      they gave her happiness. they gave her hope despite EVERYTHING that had been working against her. the very world in which she lived in. she gets a few moments of happiness...and then what?

      she gets killed off five minutes later.

      what kind of message does that send to the queer community?

      look, i know i sound frustrated, but i am. and maybe i'm all but reducing her death down to something akin to "just another blow for the gay community!" but i'm frustrated and angry and i'm exhausted.

      i'm exhausted of seeing dead lesbians on my screen.

      i'm exhausted of this bullshit ~magic bullet~ death.

      i'm exhausted of seeing people already celebrating her death.

      i'm exhausted.

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    • @Sparkstoaflame : I think that reaction is very understandable. You have every right to feel that way, and I feel with you. Lexa was a representation for the queer community, yes.

      But for me personally, I like to separate a character's sexuality or skin color from their actions or their faiths on the show. I believe in a world where writers won't explicitely kill of queer people just because they're queer ('Kill the lesbians' is something Donald Trump would say. Not these TV-show writers).

      Just my personal view on things. But like I said, I get what you're feeling right now is though.

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    • Sparkstoaflame wrote:
      they pulled a tara maclay. i can't believe they pulled a tara maclay. it was literally a scene-for-scene regurgitation of tara maclay. the bedroom. the bullet. the accidental death.

      Seriously. Deja vu and not in a good way.

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    • Skyzy wrote:

      The Indra/Octavia reunion was just another racist nail in the JR coffin. White savior rescuing the poor WOC whose life has fallen apart and giving her purpose to live.


      I'm with on that. Indra was half 'f' dead in S2 Resurrection, yet she still wanted to press on and fight the MM even though Nyko made objections. Now, I'm supposed to buy weak Indra being scared of a freaking bullet? Yeah, right!!!

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    • i'm probably going to sound incoherent but...

      @TT i totally get that. i think i'm still going to continue watching the show - bc quite frankly the city of light stuff is rly interesting - but i'm still devastated. upset. and quite disgusted. i'm not even going to get into the indra/octavia thing and the controversy over ricky whittle, which quite frankly has made me uncomfortable from the moment he started tweeting those things.

      but back to the point. the fact remains that lexa was a queer character and she was killed off. jroth made a comment about how lexa's sexuality factored into the choice to kill her off as much as finn's sexuality did, but.

      that. is. not. the. point. does he understand that?

      i'm sorry, but that is not the point. quite frankly, i'd be disgusted if someone explicitly said that jroth killed lexa off BECAUSE she's a lesbian. that's just a-rate bullshit. but this is about representation. the FACT REMAINS that the "dead lesbian" trope runs RAMPANT all throughout pop culture. look at tara fucking maclay. seeing red aired in 2002. it's 14 years later and wlw are still dying after they've gotten their ~moment of happiness~. that's not right. they shouldn't have done that. jroth and crew have been playing up on lexa for the ENTIRE SEASON so far. they literally gave all of us false hope. and that is just emotionally devastating. emotionally devastating for an entire community because bigots can't accept their sexuality. emotionally devastating for people who get kicked out of their homes because they're a boy who kisses boys or a girl who kisses girls. emotionally devastating for those who suffer from depression and anxiety because of their sexuality. emotionally devastating for people who want to see themselves represented and represented well in popular culture, in media that is exposed to millions of people every week.

      and then their representation is killed. in. a. freak. accident.

      so no, lexa dying because she's a lesbian is not the point. it was never about that.

      i'm not even going to get into the clexa aspect of lexa. lexa can stand on herself just fine. i would rather lexa have lived than clexa not have happened at all. the point is that lexa was a strong, wlw character who was literally the commander of an entire people. she had power and influence and she was strong. she was an inspiration, and sure, you've got amazing characters like raven reyes and clarke griffin, but lexa was inspirational in a different kind of way. i know that not everyone agrees with me but she was inspiring. from a purely objective standpoint, she was a lgbt character in a leadership position and she was, quite frankly, one of the more complex characters on the show as well.

      and now...

      it's just...

      i don't know how to explain this.

      and now i'm scared that the writers will get death threats. i'm scared that jroth will get death threats. which is something that should NEVER be happening. i'm exhausted. but lexa's death - the way lexa died - might be triggering enough for something like that to happen. there will be death threats, mark my words. and that makes me just as upset as the fact that lexa died.

      i really hate people sometimes.

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    • Milks26 wrote:

      I'm with on that. Indra was half 'f' dead in S2 Resurrection, yet she still wanted to press on and fight the MM even though Nyko made objections. Now, I'm supposed to buy weak Indra being scared of a freaking bullet? Yeah, right!!!

      I'm sure "clarification" from JR and the writers is soon coming. They're already battling the Lexa backlash and the show only just started airing on the west coast.

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    • Yeah, tumblr is on fire right now. I can just imagine what youtube is like.

      I usually have to wake up a few hours before work to catch the show online - but low and behold it was updated like 10:50pm. Sweet!

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    • Loved it. Great episode!

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    • I actually thought that episode was better than the last?

      Anyway, I saw about 90% of that episode coming from a mile away (including Lexa's death :(). Seriously, I've been texting my friends that watch the show with my theories for months, most that I didn't put here because I'm lazy (oops) and incredibly superstitious (again, oops). My friend's called me crazy for suggesting Lexa was AI and her blood was from an injected serum. 

      Now they think I'm a genius, lol. Turns out a lot of people saw that one coming - not just me. 

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    • episode was a good setup for the second half of the season.

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    • Thewritersdiary wrote:
      I actually thought that episode was better than the last?

      Yep, besides all the season-long problems with the plot and with the characters and with the tropes, I also thought that episode was slightly better than the last.

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    • Sparkstoaflame wrote:
      episode was a good setup for the second half of the season.

      Agreed.

      Too bad Jason is such a douchebag. I wish they'd replace him with a more respectful showrunner.

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    • Thewritersdiary wrote:

      Too bad Jason is such a douchebag. I wish they'd replace him with a more respectful showrunner.

      I wish they'd replace him and re-do this season.

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    • Skyzy wrote:
      Thewritersdiary wrote:

      Too bad Jason is such a douchebag. I wish they'd replace him with a more respectful showrunner.

      I wish they'd replace him and re-do this season.

      That would be ideal, yeah.

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    • Thewritersdiary wrote:
      Skyzy wrote:
      I wish they'd replace him and re-do this season.
      That would be ideal, yeah.

      They could pretend this season was ALIE-vision if Clarke never returned to Camp Jaha and I would be happy to buy that.

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    • So you all think that the show is now bad just because of false racism and a gay Character dying, seriously, look I don't want to piss anyone off but this is not really a big deal

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    • I thought it was a good episode (except for Lexa's death of course). Yes, I hated that she died, but the rest of the episode was fantastic. I'd read about the Commander-Becca-ALIE-Nightblood-Polaris-etc. theories long ago so I kind of expected those bits, but they were wonderfully executed and shown and I loved it (the flashbacks, Murphy seeing and explaining the paintings on the walls).

      However, I did not like (as I've already said above) Lexa's death, particularly how it was done. I mean a stray bullet, really.. I think they just ran out of ideas on that one (having Titus be responsible for it though would obviously play a part in later episodes, I think, as long as he keeps his promise and honors Lexa, hopefully by protecting and trusting Clarke or deciding to try and uphold Lexa's last wishes—blood must not have blood and easing the Skaikru in as the 13th clan maybe).

      Also hate that Octavia left thinking Clarke had abandoned them. Gdi, this episode had some of the best interaction those two have had in a while, and it had to end on a bad note.

      I am looking forward to the Conclave though. Shit feeling like it's going to be Ontari, and if it works out that way, I'm curious how they'll play it out.

      Obviously I'm sad that Lexa's dead, but the rest of the story at this point is just so big and great and I'm going to keep looking forward to the show (right now choosing to ignore the drama that seems to be going on behind-the-scenes (the Jason stuff which I'm mostly clueless about anyway), pretending to be in the day and age when the Internet wasn't a thing and I just enjoyed my shows and movies by watching).

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    • A few questions and theories.

      1. How did Becca not die from radiation when she landed on earth? Where they in space that long that she already became immune to it.

      2. The thing that came out of Lexa's neck, it at first looks like the same thing that Raven and Thelonius ate. But the thing is, why did Lexa never see A.L.I.E., theirs no evidence that she did. My theorey is that the thing that came out of Lexa's neck is A.L.I.E. number 2, the one that Becca took from the space station when she left in the pod. If you notice that when Becca lands on earth, the camera kinda zooms in on the patch 'commander' thats on her suit. 'Commander'... the same thing that the grounders call their leader. I think that Becca put A.L.I.E. number 2 in her, and when she died it somehow move to the next 'commander'. Eventualy geting to Lexa. If this is true it opens up even more theoreys. If we know that the person with A.L.I.E number 2 can't see A.L.I.E, then it means that only people who have the first version can(Raven,Thelonius). But as we know, it was the first version that launched all the nukes, the bad one. For example, why does A.L.I.E ask raven to look on the station for the other version of the code. That seems pretty suspicious. Now this theorey goes down the toilet if Lexa actualy could see A.L.I.E, but there was no indication that she could, which makes me think that she has the one copy of version 2, and all the one's that Thelonius is handing out is version 1, which as we can see is trying to hunt down version 2.

      3. Also going back to season 2 because i forgot, how did Thelonius first see A.L.I.E., I don't ever remember him eating a chip.

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    • 1 . she maybe found a cure

      2. no cuz lexa's chip is alie 2.0 

      3 . she was a hologram in that island

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    • I am getting really annoyed by the people that are bashing on the writers PURELY because your favorite character is getting killed off. Seriously, JR is doing a really good job on the writing and I am enjoying the series a lot so far and am on the edge of my seat. You don't have to enjoy the episodes, you can keep complaining about what you didn't like, but you don't need to insult JR and the rest of the writers, which just to make clear, is doing a WAY better job than if any of you would do. People like you are what can potentially push the writers back so much that the show never gets another season!

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    • Damn right, so what a gay Character died, boo hoo, no offense, but they don't have the right to Bash the writers and JR, JR made a brave (yet risky) choice, yes ReconJacob, I am also annoyed by this and also some people Re throwing shade at JR for false accusations of racism and homophobia, he said in an interview that he really loves Alycia and had to beg to get her to reprise her role this season, so they shouldn't bash him for just one character dying, ugh

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    • It has nothing to do with a particular character dying. Everyone should've (even if you were in denial) seen Lexa's death coming because of her other commitment.

      Its the overall story that's the problem. I'm waiting to see what the 2nd half looks like - but watching with caution.

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    • Damn, Jason just lost 7k followers on twitter.....

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    • 23.123.98.59 wrote:
      A few questions and theories.

      1. How did Becca not die from radiation when she landed on earth? Where they in space that long that she already became immune to it.

      2. The thing that came out of Lexa's neck, it at first looks like the same thing that Raven and Thelonius ate. But the thing is, why did Lexa never see A.L.I.E., theirs no evidence that she did. My theorey is that the thing that came out of Lexa's neck is A.L.I.E. number 2, the one that Becca took from the space station when she left in the pod. If you notice that when Becca lands on earth, the camera kinda zooms in on the patch 'commander' thats on her suit. 'Commander'... the same thing that the grounders call their leader. I think that Becca put A.L.I.E. number 2 in her, and when she died it somehow move to the next 'commander'. Eventualy geting to Lexa. If this is true it opens up even more theoreys. If we know that the person with A.L.I.E number 2 can't see A.L.I.E, then it means that only people who have the first version can(Raven,Thelonius). But as we know, it was the first version that launched all the nukes, the bad one. For example, why does A.L.I.E ask raven to look on the station for the other version of the code. That seems pretty suspicious. Now this theorey goes down the toilet if Lexa actualy could see A.L.I.E, but there was no indication that she could, which makes me think that she has the one copy of version 2, and all the one's that Thelonius is handing out is version 1, which as we can see is trying to hunt down version 2.

      3. Also going back to season 2 because i forgot, how did Thelonius first see A.L.I.E., I don't ever remember him eating a chip.

      if you read this article ( http://www.eonline.com/news/745920/the-100-just-destroyed-everything-you-know-and-love-with-one-big-twist )  it explains a lot.  The reason Becca doesnt die from radiation - "Her assistant and the Polaris commander didn't see this quite the same way, however, and didn't want to connect Polaris to the Ark with that potentially murderous AI still on board. They wanted it destroyed, but instead, Becca had spent two years injecting herself with gene therapy to help her survive radiation before implanting the AI into her own head and taking off for what was left of Earth."    So when we saw Becca injecting herself it was apparently gene therapy to survive radiation.

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    • Pretty Sure this is the last season

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    • Skyzy wrote:
      Thewritersdiary wrote:
      Skyzy wrote:
      I wish they'd replace him and re-do this season.
      That would be ideal, yeah.
      They could pretend this season was ALIE-vision if Clarke never returned to Camp Jaha and I would be happy to buy that.


      I wouldn't be surpried if they Dallased the season, though  I doubt they will get a renew

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    • MyFightIsOver wrote:

      23.123.98.59 wrote:

      if you read this article ( http://www.eonline.com/news/745920/the-100-just-destroyed-everything-you-know-and-love-with-one-big-twist )  it explains a lot.  The reason Becca doesnt die from radiation - "Her assistant and the Polaris commander didn't see this quite the same way, however, and didn't want to connect Polaris to the Ark with that potentially murderous AI still on board. They wanted it destroyed, but instead, Becca had spent two years injecting herself with gene therapy to help her survive radiation before implanting the AI into her own head and taking off for what was left of Earth."    So when we saw Becca injecting herself it was apparently gene therapy to survive radiation.


      As always - explanation via social media.

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    • W0lfknight1 wrote:
      Pretty Sure this is the last season

      The season isn't even finished, maybe the finale will make things up

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    • NikkiNicks wrote:
      W0lfknight1 wrote:
      Pretty Sure this is the last season
      The season isn't even finished, maybe the finale will make things up

      I really don't think so, especially if Bellamy lives and Clarke and he get together.

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    • Everyone pitching a fit over "Lexa the Lez" being killed off, you're wrong. The actress has a commitment to another show, and that is the main part of why the character was killed off.

      They did NOT "kill the lesbian" as you claim. They killed off a well-liked main character. It happens. In writing, it builds up some tension by showing nobody is immune to mortality just because you like the character. It has much more impact when a character you've had time to get to know, for good or bad, dies. Those random side characters dying just don't call up any real feelings for the viewers.

      Is that really how you saw Lexa? She was just "a lesbian", and nothing more? Do you reduce Clarke to being "the blonde chick"? Is Monty nothing more than "the oriental kid" to you? I think that's sad. I view the characters as people, as much as the writers develop them. To me, Lexa was a person, "Heda kom Trikru" with all the priveleges and burdens that come with the title. And yes, a lesbian. But not merely a lesbian, as it seems many of you see the character as. A person is a lot more than the arbitrary labels you insist on forcing upon them. Her romantic choices are a part of her, and should not be the sole thing used to define her.

      That said, it was a rather inglorious death for her. But then, only fools seek glory in death.

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    • FloaterJ wrote:
      Everyone pitching a fit over "Lexa the Lez" being killed off, you're wrong. The actress has a commitment to another show, and that is the main part of why the character was killed off.

      They did NOT "kill the lesbian" as you claim. They killed off a well-liked main character. It happens. In writing, it builds up some tension by showing nobody is immune to mortality just because you like the character. It has much more impact when a character you've had time to get to know, for good or bad, dies. Those random side characters dying just don't call up any real feelings for the viewers.

      Is that really how you saw Lexa? She was just "a lesbian", and nothing more? Do you reduce Clarke to being "the blonde chick"? Is Monty nothing more than "the oriental kid" to you? I think that's sad. I view the characters as people, as much as the writers develop them. To me, Lexa was a person, "Heda kom Trikru" with all the priveleges and burdens that come with the title. And yes, a lesbian. But not merely a lesbian, as it seems many of you see the character as. A person is a lot more than the arbitrary labels you insist on forcing upon them. Her romantic choices are a part of her, and should not be the sole thing used to define her.

      That said, it was a rather inglorious death for her. But then, only fools seek glory in death.


      I think, the issue is that this seems to be a common theme in american media, rarely do we see LBTG relationships in a postive light. we have come far, but still have a ways to go. That said has everyone forgeton that Clarke is Bi? Because Lexa has died, Makes her no less Bisexual. Who knows maybe Clarke will have another relationship with a woman, like maybe Luna ;). There is a lot wrong with this season, so we will have to see.

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    • Yeah, like Skyzy is even getting in my nerves, and yeah, Alycia Debnam-Carey is starring in another show called Fear The Walking Dead which I watch, and production for this upcoming season began in December in Mexico, which is miles away from Canada, so it makes sense and I also think JR made a brave choice, it was risky, but brave, and yeah, just because Lexa happened to be gay doesn't mean the shows homophobic, so people should calm down about it

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    • W0lfknight1 wrote:


      I think, the issue is that this seems to be a common theme in american media, rarely do we see LBTG relationships in a postive light.


      Maybe that is because people, the makers of the shows as well as the viewers, are reducing them down to nothing more than their sexuality. When you start to see the characters as people, regardless of sexuality, the potential for improvement will finally become real.

      I am a bit curious now, what are these shows you watch that apparently are so negative about the LGBT relationships.

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    • FloaterJ wrote:
      W0lfknight1 wrote:

      I think, the issue is that this seems to be a common theme in american media, rarely do we see LBTG relationships in a postive light.

      Maybe that is because people, the makers of the shows as well as the viewers, are reducing them down to nothing more than their sexuality. When you start to see the characters as people, regardless of sexuality, the potential for improvement will finally become real.

      I am a bit curious now, what are these shows you watch that apparently are so negative about the LGBT relationships.

      Me.personally no, I lot of people talk about Buffy season 6, but I stopped watching buffy after season 2. It s far more less freguent now then it has been. The 100 I think tries to not do that, in episode six we saw the guard(who has been a minor character for awhile) and The guy who died trying to save Monroe(I'll miss Monroe) have a touching goodbye.

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    • W0lfknight1 wrote:


      maybe Clarke will have another relationship with a woman, like maybe Luna ;).


      If that happens, it happens. But let it be natural. Trying to shoehorn a lesbian relationship into the story just to have lesbians on the show is merely pandering, and should be seen as an insult to not just the viewers, but to lesbians in general. Quit reducing people to labels!

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    • Skyzy wrote:
      TotallyTinkerbell wrote:
      Octavia was there to represent the Sky People for Clarke.

      In terms of the Indra/Octavia interactions, didn't like the reunion scene much, but I did like the ending. Indra slipped for a bit but she's back on her feet now!

      I thought Clarke was there to represent the Sky People.... She is just as bad an ambassador as Abby was a chancellor.

      The Indra/Octavia reunion was just another racist nail in the JR coffin. White savior rescuing the poor WOC whose life has fallen apart and giving her purpose to live.

      I would like to think Octavia was concerned for the well being of a woman she loves and respects, and has taught her, treated her with respect that no one else has. I accualty see Indra/Ocatvia as not only Teacher/Student but Mother/Daughter.

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    • W0lfknight1 wrote:
      Skyzy wrote:
      TotallyTinkerbell wrote:
      Octavia was there to represent the Sky People for Clarke.

      In terms of the Indra/Octavia interactions, didn't like the reunion scene much, but I did like the ending. Indra slipped for a bit but she's back on her feet now!

      I thought Clarke was there to represent the Sky People.... She is just as bad an ambassador as Abby was a chancellor.

      The Indra/Octavia reunion was just another racist nail in the JR coffin. White savior rescuing the poor WOC whose life has fallen apart and giving her purpose to live.

      I would like to think Octavia was concerned for the well being of a woman she loves and respects, and has taught her, treated her with respect that no one else has. I accualty see Indra/Ocatvia as not only Teacher/Student but Mother/Daughter.


      In that vine, I have also loved Indra, She actually seems to have more of a brain then most other characters. She gave Skygirl chance when she did not need too. Indra in my view is the mentor every one else needs.

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    • FloaterJ wrote:
      W0lfknight1 wrote:


      maybe Clarke will have another relationship with a woman, like maybe Luna ;).


      If that happens, it happens. But let it be natural. Trying to shoehorn a lesbian relationship into the story just to have lesbians on the show is merely pandering, and should be seen as an insult to not just the viewers, but to lesbians in general. Quit reducing people to labels!


      That was my point.

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    • FloaterJ wrote:
      Everyone pitching a fit over "Lexa the Lez" being killed off, you're wrong. The actress has a commitment to another show, and that is the main part of why the character was killed off.

      They did NOT "kill the lesbian" as you claim. They killed off a well-liked main character. It happens. In writing, it builds up some tension by showing nobody is immune to mortality just because you like the character. It has much more impact when a character you've had time to get to know, for good or bad, dies. Those random side characters dying just don't call up any real feelings for the viewers.

      Is that really how you saw Lexa? She was just "a lesbian", and nothing more? Do you reduce Clarke to being "the blonde chick"? Is Monty nothing more than "the oriental kid" to you? I think that's sad. I view the characters as people, as much as the writers develop them. To me, Lexa was a person, "Heda kom Trikru" with all the priveleges and burdens that come with the title. And yes, a lesbian. But not merely a lesbian, as it seems many of you see the character as. A person is a lot more than the arbitrary labels you insist on forcing upon them. Her romantic choices are a part of her, and should not be the sole thing used to define her.

      That said, it was a rather inglorious death for her. But then, only fools seek glory in death.

      Thank you!

      I don't think that Lexa dying was cheap (and I'm sure it's going to pay-off in a good way for the rest of the show); however, I do believe the way they killed her was kind of cheap (although there were already theories after the promo that Titus would accidentally shoot her). I think what is frustrating to many people, aside from their favourite character dying, is that she was accidentally shot. Unlike Finn, where his actions brought his death, Lexa had done nothing but quite literally been in the wrong place at the wrong time. She didn't even go out in battle (I would argue that she still was heroic in her own way in this episode). 

      But I do think people are reading too much into Lexa's death because she is LGBT. I doubt that was the intention. I'm definitely not JR's biggest fan, but this wasn't a decision I disagree with. Saying that Lexa is somehow superior to other characters and can't die because she is bisexual is the same thing as saying that Raven can't die because she's straight. Both characters are being defined by their sexuality in those cases. Isn't that the exact thing that the LGBT community is sick of? 

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    • NikkiNicks wrote:
      Damn right, so what a gay Character died, boo hoo, no offense, but they don't have the right to Bash the writers and JR, JR made a brave (yet risky) choice, yes ReconJacob, I am also annoyed by this and also some people Re throwing shade at JR for false accusations of racism and homophobia, he said in an interview that he really loves Alycia and had to beg to get her to reprise her role this season, so they shouldn't bash him for just one character dying, ugh

      I don't think anyone (or very few, at least) are bashing JR because he killed Lexa. We've been bashing him because of the way he treats the fans over social media, how lately it seems like a large portion of the cast is unhappy with him (among other reasons). Ricky's mom literally tweeted how Jason was a "bully" and should be ashamed of himself. That happened before Lexa even died. And the man has always kind of irritated me, with his fan-baiting. I understand that the industry is hard, but that gives him no right to be disrespectful. 

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    • Wait a minute, are you really saying Jason bullied Ricky, because if he is, he should be ashamed of himself and apologize, and yeah, The 100 is being filled with a bit too much fan service

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    • Thewritersdiary wrote:
      NikkiNicks wrote:
      Damn right, so what a gay Character died, boo hoo, no offense, but they don't have the right to Bash the writers and JR, JR made a brave (yet risky) choice, yes ReconJacob, I am also annoyed by this and also some people Re throwing shade at JR for false accusations of racism and homophobia, he said in an interview that he really loves Alycia and had to beg to get her to reprise her role this season, so they shouldn't bash him for just one character dying, ugh
      I don't think anyone (or very few, at least) are bashing JR because he killed Lexa. We've been bashing him because of the way he treats the fans over social media, how lately it seems like a large portion of the cast is unhappy with him (among other reasons). Ricky's mom literally tweeted how Jason was a "bully" and should be ashamed of himself. That happened before Lexa even died. And the man has always kind of irritated me, with his fan-baiting. I understand that the industry is hard, but that gives him no right to be disrespectful. 


      I had not heard this, this makes me less confident that the show can be saved, I doubt he will be sacked to save it.

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    • Maybe they'll bring in new writers, i'm still confident that they'll do something to make up for it

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    • NikkiNicks wrote:
      Yeah, like Skyzy is even getting in my nerves

      Excuse me, really? You do realize I'm an admin so I'm on here all the time. If you don't like the fact that I'm pointing out your favorite show is problematic, then go find another wikia to annoy. There is no need whatsoever to turn the attacks personal.

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    • Skyzy wrote:
      NikkiNicks wrote:
      Yeah, like Skyzy is even getting in my nerves
      Excuse me, really? You do realize I'm an admin so I'm on here all the time. If you don't like the fact that I'm pointing out your favorite show is problematic, then go find another wikia to annoy. There is no need whatsoever to turn the attacks personal.


      Thank you Skyzy.

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    • Skyzy wrote:
      NikkiNicks wrote:
      Yeah, like Skyzy is even getting in my nerves
      Excuse me, really? You do realize I'm an admin so I'm on here all the time. If you don't like the fact that I'm pointing out your favorite show is problematic, then go find another wikia to annoy. There is no need whatsoever to turn the attacks personal.

      I don't want to attack you, it's just you're getting a bit on my nerves with the whole previous racism thing, BTW sorry, yes I know you're admin, it's just you are also bashing the show for what happened tonight, look, I didn't want to offend you, it's just this whole thing is getting really bad and out of hand, and you are an admin, shouldn't admin be controlling these things and calming fellow other Contributors down so this dosent turn messy

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    • No one is getting over-excited so there's no need for me to calm anyone down.

      I am an admin, meaning I try to keep the wikia free from vandalism, spam, and trolls. It does not mean I support the show or what the show is doing when the show is wrong.  With the amount of work I put into this wikia over hiatus, it is quite clear how much I loved the show. That doesn't mean I'll excuse all the problems that are cropping up and I have as much a right as anyone else to say what I think of the show regardless of whether or not I'm an admin.

      This is NOT a fan page. This is a wikia that contains information, including how this show is yet another example of covert racism in Hollywood (and after the latest episode, the continued stereotyping of LGBTQ). You can disagree with it all you want but all that does is make you look bad.

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    • The show has been getting a lot of hate for killing off lexa, but i feel its kinda unfair. i mean first of all there the whole scheduling and the fact that lexa was a guest star an dso on. But also: if you think about it lexa had to die for the story to develop; and this has been foreshadowed a pretty long time. Its also kind of important that titus was the one to kill her, on accident because in what other way would her death possibly have happened without a war between skycrew and the other clans. Titus after all, has shown signals he wants clarke out of way in order for lexa to resume what he believes are the correct duties of her people, which, being the flamekeeper, makes perfect sense why he belives he has the right to do this. Therefore him killing lexa is really the best way in which they could have portrayed her death without having that large war. Also, going back to the story development: if lexa had not died, clarke would most likely have returned to arkadia, and that war would have started, rendering them on opposite sides and forcing both to choose a side. Lexa, with the AI and everythign wouldnt really have a choice; she would have to choose her people and if clarke chose her own people.They couldnt abandom their people, clarke because of the repsonsibility she feels, and lexa because even if she would let go of her responsibility, the AI would not have let her, sothey would have been fighting a war against each other, which wouldnt have been a better storyline. 

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    • Given the fact lexas character was meant to die in the season 2 finale due to her contract with AMC they did well with this episode and her story in general -

      And defining death on a sci-fi show is difficult we already know shes in the finale and if/when clarke becomes the commander that opens up the possibility of future apperances of lexa even if its all in clarkes head

      those that say this show is racist or homophobic are foolish - for a start nobodys cared in season 1 when grounders were dropping like flies but now that we have a basic understanding of them its raist despite the fact the sky people attack ALL grounders on site regardless of there ethnicity

      Then theres those that say its homophobic but come on.. the protaganist is bisexual which is progresive for tv and society

      one bad thing i will say is i think bellamy is wa beyond redemption regardless of his actions - if he gets with clarke next season THEN ill drop this show

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    • 81.148.219.244 wrote:
      Given the fact lexas character was meant to die in the season 2 finale due to her contract with AMC they did well with this episode and her story in general -

      And defining death on a sci-fi show is difficult we already know shes in the finale and if/when clarke becomes the commander that opens up the possibility of future apperances of lexa even if its all in clarkes head

      those that say this show is racist or homophobic are foolish - for a start nobodys cared in season 1 when grounders were dropping like flies but now that we have a basic understanding of them its raist despite the fact the sky people attack ALL grounders on site regardless of there ethnicity

      Then theres those that say its homophobic but come on.. the protaganist is bisexual which is progresive for tv and society

      one bad thing i will say is i think bellamy is wa beyond redemption regardless of his actions - if he gets with clarke next season THEN ill drop this show


      Thats what I am trying to say there are still LGBTQ characters on the show and the main protagonist is Bi, I am still not sure about the comment on racism, yes Hollywood has a huge problem with it. But I have said I don't view Indra/Octavia as White person having to safe a black person. But a young person, telling  Woman who she loves and respects that she needs her, which I think Octavia does, Indra has been the ONLY person, in the series to , I believe, Love and respect Octavia, besides Lincoln. Also I agree Bellamy has absoultly no redeeming qualites now(I wonder if thats why Morley left twitter before series began.) Murphy on the other hand is a far better candidate for Hero.

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    • but it is relatively certain that she isnt comign back to season 4 if there is one right? 

      and as for bellamy clarke thing: i mean i wouldnt say what he did is beyond redemption, not if you think about what lexa did for her people (and what bellamy thinks he is doing for his) i think that a lot of his actions are part of the trauma he still has about both mount weather incidences, and that he doesn react like jasper, by completely giving up, or clarke by runnign away and that the extra burden of having to take on the leadership role after has worsened this especially in the fact that he seems to need someone else to take over this kind of stronger leadership like pike does (even though i hate that guy) as well as clarke staying in polis. Also, bellamy never liked the grounders.


      but i definetely prefer lexa to bellamy

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    • Skyzy wrote:
      No one is getting over-excited so there's no need for me to calm anyone down.

      I am an admin, meaning I try to keep the wikia free from vandalism, spam, and trolls. It does not mean I support the show or what the show is doing when the show is wrong.  With the amount of work I put into this wikia over hiatus, it is quite clear how much I loved the show. That doesn't mean I'll excuse all the problems that are cropping up and I have as much a right as anyone else to say what I think of the show regardless of whether or not I'm an admin.

      This is NOT a fan page. This is a wikia that contains information, including how this show is yet another example of covert racism in Hollywood (and after the latest episode, the continued stereotyping of LGBTQ). You can disagree with it all you want but all that does is make you look bad.

      I know that, yet, I just don't want this to get bad like the whole "Glenn is Alive, Glenn is Dead" debate, shit for outta hand on that wiki, people vandalising pages, people fighting aginats each other, Insulting each other, I just didn't want this argument to get out of hand

      Yes, A wiki contains info, i didn't say you have to support the show, I think no one should be bullied, I heard about the Jason Bullying Ricky situation, but to make sure it doesn't get out of hand on here

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    • Ok peeps, agruments aside, do you guys think that costia may have been the 8th afficiate and thats why lexa refuses to talk about that afficiate? also, if so, how would they have bent the rules to do this? i mean lexa wasnt commander yet during the conclave and costia is a grounder so she wouldve followed their ules (i guess)? is it possible to resing from being an afficiate (liek choose not to try to take on the position as commander and just leave)? Also does this mean that the commander is chosen from the nattbleeda by having them fight each other, not using the AI (as when saying aiden will most likely take over, it is clear he is the best fighter and they explicitly state that the other nattbleeda died)? Bringing on another question: do the other nattbleeda/afficiates die because it is whoever doesnt die wins, or by the AI choosing and the others being killed to not threaten the position as nattbleeda (we have not yet met any older nattbleeda, except ontari, who was hiddenaway despite traditions)?

      sorry for all the questions im just curious (also if anyone has any theories for other things please write)

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    • 81.148.219.244 wrote:
      those that say this show is racist or homophobic are foolish - for a start nobodys cared in season 1 when grounders were dropping like flies but now that we have a basic understanding of them its raist despite the fact the sky people attack ALL grounders on site regardless of there ethnicity

      ALL of the POCs have been turned into villains, killed off, extensively tortured and imprisoned, or turned into drug dealers/users. Right now, all you have to do is literally look at the color of the person's skin to figure out what their purpose is in the story. I'm just going to copy/paste this here to try to catch everyone up:

      Out of the mains: Jaha is a tech drug dealer, Lincoln was a drug addict/user, Raven is now a drug user, and all the rest (Wells) are dead (and Lincoln will soon be, too).

      Out of the minors, Jones hasn't appeared since Season One. Indra is constantly having her people killed off and her village destroyed (dropship explosion, Finn massacre, MW missile, and Pike's crew) and she has also been shot twice and bombed. Plus, she's stuck following a leader she no longer agrees with and just got "saved" by Octavia. Pike is a war criminal and Miller is most likely safe only because he's LGBTQ. Miller and his dad, we'll see if they survive the season....

      All of that excessive stereotyping is called covert racism. It is real, it exists today, and it's pervassive in the media.

      It would never be held acceptable in this day and age for three women to be villains while the saviors were men. So why is it acceptable now for it to be three POC [Pike, Bellamy, and Hannah] as villains and the saviors as white? Answer: it isn't.

      So everyone who praises this show as "women-empowering" and LGBTQ-friendly should ignore its treatment of POCs? You know why it's "women-empowering?" Because it DOES regulate how it treats its white female characters. Look to Abby, Clarke, Lexa, and Octavia for an example. (Raven, Dr. Tsing, Indra, Anya, and Hannah, on the other hand, are examples of how they treat their WOC).

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    • Skyzy wrote:
      81.148.219.244 wrote:
      those that say this show is racist or homophobic are foolish - for a start nobodys cared in season 1 when grounders were dropping like flies but now that we have a basic understanding of them its raist despite the fact the sky people attack ALL grounders on site regardless of there ethnicity
      ALL of the POCs have been turned into villains, killed off, extensively tortured and imprisoned, or turned into drug dealers/users. Right now, all you have to do is literally look at the color of the person's skin to figure out what their purpose is in the story. I'm just going to copy/paste this here to try to catch everyone up:

      Out of the mains: Jaha is a tech drug dealer, Lincoln was a drug addict/user, Raven is now a drug user, and all the rest (Wells) are dead (and Lincoln will soon be, too).

      Out of the minors, Jones hasn't appeared since Season One. Indra is constantly having her people killed off and her village destroyed (dropship explosion, Finn massacre, MW missile, and Pike's crew) and she has also been shot twice and bombed. Plus, she's stuck following a leader she no longer agrees with and just got "saved" by Octavia. Pike is a war criminal and Miller is most likely safe only because he's LGBTQ. Miller and his dad, we'll see if they survive the season....

      All of that excessive stereotyping is called covert racism. It is real, it exists today, and it's pervassive in the media.

      It would never be held acceptable in this day and age for three women to be villains while the saviors were men. So why is it acceptable now for it to be three POC [Pike, Bellamy, and Hannah] as villains and the saviors as white? Answer: it isn't.

      So everyone who praises this show as "women-empowering" and LGBTQ-friendly should ignore its treatment of POCs? You know why it's "women-empowering?" Because it DOES regulate how it treats its white female characters. Look to Abby, Clarke, Lexa, and Octavia for an example. (Raven, Dr. Tsing, Indra, Anya, and Hannah, on the other hand, are examples of how they treat their WOC).

      but can we please discuss future theories also side note POC is actually considered a degrading term for historical reasons (cumberbatch was absolutely slaughtered for using this)

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    • Becca Owns Polaris Not Realistic How In The Word Did This Young Girl Get A Damn Space station i mean The usa Barely has one

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    • PersonofPerson2001 wrote:
      Becca Owns Polaris Not Realistic How In The Word Did This Young Girl Get A Damn Space station i mean The usa Barely has one

      she owns it?

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    • 81.148.219.244 wrote:

      Then theres those that say its homophobic but come on.. the protaganist is bisexual which is progresive for tv and society

      That is not what has people upset. What has people upset is that they queer-baited the Clexa fans before fulfilling one of the most obvious and cliched tropes of all-time, Bury your gays, while also fulfilling a few other common tropes (pretty much every other trope linked on that page).

      "However. Regardless of the overall death toll of a show, the death of a gay character nevertheless has different cultural context & emotional weight, as there are unlikely to be many other gay characters in the piece of media. Gay audience members are generally left with no one else to relate to, or only the grieving partner of the dead gay."

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    • 51.174.32.107 wrote:
      PersonofPerson2001 wrote:
      Becca Owns Polaris Not Realistic How In The Word Did This Young Girl Get A Damn Space station i mean The usa Barely has one
      she owns it?

      Yeah She Said It 

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    • 51.174.32.107 wrote:

      but can we please discuss future theories also side note POC is actually considered a degrading term for historical reasons (cumberbatch was absolutely slaughtered for using this)

      Not at all accurate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_color

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    • Although I am sad about Lexa being killed off, it was kinda expected. Jason explained his reasoning for it because Alicia can't film both shows. It makes logical sense why they killed her off. Though I think that Jason hasn't done a very good job with this season he shouldn't be crucified for killing off a character just because she was a lesbian. He loved Lexa's character more than a lot of other main characters and she got way more screen time even though she was only a guest. So many fans are saying that they won't watch the show now that Lexa is dead and Clexa won't happen anymore. Get over it. Shows, especiailly shows like The 100 are NOT ABOUT SHIPS!! I really feel for people who had hope in her character but it's hypocritical to say they want equality and then only watch shows because of gay or lesbian relationships. Lexa was more than just a lesbian character she was also a commander, a friend, and a young girl who did amazing things for her people. Those people are truly not real fans of the 100 and i get why they are angry but it's just a show and shouldn't have that much affect on how you live your life. Don't be so concerned about being defined as something and just be yourself. 

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    • Skyzy wrote:
      81.148.219.244 wrote:

      Then theres those that say its homophobic but come on.. the protaganist is bisexual which is progresive for tv and society

      That is not what has people upset. What has people upset is that they queer-baited the Clexa fans before fulfilling one of the most obvious and cliched tropes of all-time, Bury your gays, while also fulfilling a few other common tropes (pretty much every other trope linked on that page).

      "However. Regardless of the overall death toll of a show, the death of a gay character nevertheless has different cultural context & emotional weight, as there are unlikely to be many other gay characters in the piece of media. Gay audience members are generally left with no one else to relate to, or only the grieving partner of the dead gay."


      Why I think the show will not have a fourth season, besides JR turning out to be a dick.

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    • W0lfknight1 wrote:
      Skyzy wrote:
      81.148.219.244 wrote:

      Then theres those that say its homophobic but come on.. the protaganist is bisexual which is progresive for tv and society

      That is not what has people upset. What has people upset is that they queer-baited the Clexa fans before fulfilling one of the most obvious and cliched tropes of all-time, Bury your gays, while also fulfilling a few other common tropes (pretty much every other trope linked on that page).

      "However. Regardless of the overall death toll of a show, the death of a gay character nevertheless has different cultural context & emotional weight, as there are unlikely to be many other gay characters in the piece of media. Gay audience members are generally left with no one else to relate to, or only the grieving partner of the dead gay."


      Why I think the show will not have a fourth season, besides JR turning out to be a dick.

      what did JR do?

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    • 96.228.137.74 wrote:
      Although I am sad about Lexa being killed off, it was kinda expected. Jason explained his reasoning for it because Alicia can't film both shows. It makes logical sense why they killed her off. Though I think that Jason hasn't done a very good job with this season he shouldn't be crucified for killing off a character just because she was a lesbian. He loved Lexa's character more than a lot of other main characters and she got way more screen time even though she was only a guest. So many fans are saying that they won't watch the show now that Lexa is dead and Clexa won't happen anymore. Get over it. Shows, especiailly shows like The 100 are NOT ABOUT SHIPS!! I really feel for people who had hope in her character but it's hypocritical to say they want equality and then only watch shows because of gay or lesbian relationships. Lexa was more than just a lesbian character she was also a commander, a friend, and a young girl who did amazing things for her people. Those people are truly not real fans of the 100 and i get why they are angry but it's just a show and shouldn't have that much affect on how you live your life. Don't be so concerned about being defined as something and just be yourself. 


      I think you've missed the point as to why people are angry, Skyzy has presented a good argument that yes it does matter, as it also matter to the treatment of Minorites on the show.

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    • PersonofPerson2001 wrote:
      51.174.32.107 wrote:
      PersonofPerson2001 wrote:
      Becca Owns Polaris Not Realistic How In The Word Did This Young Girl Get A Damn Space station i mean The usa Barely has one
      she owns it?
      Yeah She Said It 

      Maybe she got a small loan of a million dollars?

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    • In the end Lexa's death served a larger purpose. The way she died was stupid but it should not have been a surprise. The same ones who are crying - predicted her death long before the show started. They shouldn't have made them sleep together if she was going to die in the same damn episode. Seriously!!! Yes, you wanted to give the fans a bone - but that was the biggest cliché bone in the world.

      I liked Lexa for the character she was (S3 ehhh - but S2, oh my God), and ACD for the fantastic acting skills.

      Besides in the world of scifi dead does not always mean dead.

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    • 51.174.32.107 wrote:
      W0lfknight1 wrote:
      Skyzy wrote:
      81.148.219.244 wrote:

      Then theres those that say its homophobic but come on.. the protaganist is bisexual which is progresive for tv and society

      That is not what has people upset. What has people upset is that they queer-baited the Clexa fans before fulfilling one of the most obvious and cliched tropes of all-time, Bury your gays, while also fulfilling a few other common tropes (pretty much every other trope linked on that page).
      "However. Regardless of the overall death toll of a show, the death of a gay character nevertheless has different cultural context & emotional weight, as there are unlikely to be many other gay characters in the piece of media. Gay audience members are generally left with no one else to relate to, or only the grieving partner of the dead gay."

      Why I think the show will not have a fourth season, besides JR turning out to be a dick.
      what did JR do?


      Apprently JR is bully and the cast dislike him.

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    • 23.123.98.59 wrote:
      A few questions and theories.

      1. How did Becca not die from radiation when she landed on earth? Where they in space that long that she already became immune to it.

      2. The thing that came out of Lexa's neck, it at first looks like the same thing that Raven and Thelonius ate. But the thing is, why did Lexa never see A.L.I.E., theirs no evidence that she did. My theorey is that the thing that came out of Lexa's neck is A.L.I.E. number 2, the one that Becca took from the space station when she left in the pod. If you notice that when Becca lands on earth, the camera kinda zooms in on the patch 'commander' thats on her suit. 'Commander'... the same thing that the grounders call their leader. I think that Becca put A.L.I.E. number 2 in her, and when she died it somehow move to the next 'commander'. Eventualy geting to Lexa. If this is true it opens up even more theoreys. If we know that the person with A.L.I.E number 2 can't see A.L.I.E, then it means that only people who have the first version can(Raven,Thelonius). But as we know, it was the first version that launched all the nukes, the bad one. For example, why does A.L.I.E ask raven to look on the station for the other version of the code. That seems pretty suspicious. Now this theorey goes down the toilet if Lexa actualy could see A.L.I.E, but there was no indication that she could, which makes me think that she has the one copy of version 2, and all the one's that Thelonius is handing out is version 1, which as we can see is trying to hunt down version 2.

      3. Also going back to season 2 because i forgot, how did Thelonius first see A.L.I.E., I don't ever remember him eating a chip.

      maybe ALIE 1 wants to destroy ALIE 2 so she can finish what she started? It would be pretty exciting to see ALIE vs ALIE 2. Also i feel like murphy is the key here: he knows the most, knowing both situations 

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    • W0lfknight1 wrote:
      96.228.137.74 wrote:
      Although I am sad about Lexa being killed off, it was kinda expected. Jason explained his reasoning for it because Alicia can't film both shows. It makes logical sense why they killed her off. Though I think that Jason hasn't done a very good job with this season he shouldn't be crucified for killing off a character just because she was a lesbian. He loved Lexa's character more than a lot of other main characters and she got way more screen time even though she was only a guest. So many fans are saying that they won't watch the show now that Lexa is dead and Clexa won't happen anymore. Get over it. Shows, especiailly shows like The 100 are NOT ABOUT SHIPS!! I really feel for people who had hope in her character but it's hypocritical to say they want equality and then only watch shows because of gay or lesbian relationships. Lexa was more than just a lesbian character she was also a commander, a friend, and a young girl who did amazing things for her people. Those people are truly not real fans of the 100 and i get why they are angry but it's just a show and shouldn't have that much affect on how you live your life. Don't be so concerned about being defined as something and just be yourself. 

      I think you've missed the point as to why people are angry, Skyzy has presented a good argument that yes it does matter, as it also matter to the treatment of Minorites on the show.

      I understand that giving them that character gives them someone to relate to. And though I don't agree with every decision the show has made it shouldn't be defined by only that charactersitic. I agree that they "queer baited" the fans only to end up killing Lexa off but at least they got together before she died. They had to know that Lexa was going to end up dead or gone because of her comittment to the other show. I agree with what people are saying just not the way they are saying it. Like i said I feel for them but a show cannot be based off onlt one character or relationship. 

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    • Alright, so now that I remembered how to breathe again, I'll share some of my thoughts.

      To start off, why are people losing their chill? We know we will be seeing Lexa for multiple more episodes, so relax, she isn't gone (yet). Also, for all we know, Clarke may bring her back from the CoL by the end of the season.

      Secondly, I liked her death being accidental because it wasn't predictable. I already had a good feeling Lexa was going to die (at least temporarily) but I never suspected Titus to kill her, let alone on accident. And I certainly didn't expect her to be the second AI.

      HOWEVER, if dies permantely while in the CoL, then I hope it's a more noble death... Like she does one last thing to save her people while Clarke and Co try to shut down the City of Lies.

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    • PersonofPerson2001 wrote:

      51.174.32.107 wrote:
      PersonofPerson2001 wrote:
      Becca Owns Polaris Not Realistic How In The Word Did This Young Girl Get A Damn Space station i mean The usa Barely has one
      she owns it?

      Yeah She Said It 

      Ummmm... I don't think Becca owned Polaris. Polaris belonged to the Ark. Becca was from Polaris. If she said she owned it, then it's just self-proclaimed ownership.

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    • What I want to know is what if Lexa was Commander without the "spirit"? Would she act differently? I think the chip causes the Commanders to act a specific way... But Lexa resisted it by acting entirely different from the previous four Commanders.

      And damn. Neil's acting was so spot on in that scene where he killed Lexa. You could just see how much Titus loved her (as she did him), and I'm a fan of irony, so it was interesting to see him kill the person (who was also his leader) he was trying to save. Do you think he'll live up to his promise and spare Clarke?

      I kind of hope they meet again.

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    • I dunno...am I the only one who's kind of disappointed with the whole A.I. arc? I saw it a while ago in Terminator: Genisys, not anxious to see it again.

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    • TheOmegaWerewolf wrote:

      PersonofPerson2001 wrote:

      51.174.32.107 wrote:
      PersonofPerson2001 wrote:
      Becca Owns Polaris Not Realistic How In The Word Did This Young Girl Get A Damn Space station i mean The usa Barely has one
      she owns it?
      Yeah She Said It 

      Ummmm... I don't think Becca owned Polaris. Polaris belonged to the Ark. Becca was from Polaris. If she said she owned it, then it's just self-proclaimed ownership.

      No She Said She Owned It When The Commander Asked To Do Something I Think She Did But Is it Realistic No

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    • W0lfknight1 wrote:
      51.174.32.107 wrote:
      W0lfknight1 wrote:
      Skyzy wrote:
      81.148.219.244 wrote:

      Then theres those that say its homophobic but come on.. the protaganist is bisexual which is progresive for tv and society

      That is not what has people upset. What has people upset is that they queer-baited the Clexa fans before fulfilling one of the most obvious and cliched tropes of all-time, Bury your gays, while also fulfilling a few other common tropes (pretty much every other trope linked on that page).
      "However. Regardless of the overall death toll of a show, the death of a gay character nevertheless has different cultural context & emotional weight, as there are unlikely to be many other gay characters in the piece of media. Gay audience members are generally left with no one else to relate to, or only the grieving partner of the dead gay."

      Why I think the show will not have a fourth season, besides JR turning out to be a dick.
      what did JR do?

      Apprently JR is bully and the cast dislike him.

      Yeah, but I think maybe the stress got to JR and he is taking it out on people

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    • 96.228.137.74 wrote:
      Although I am sad about Lexa being killed off, it was kinda expected. Jason explained his reasoning for it because Alicia can't film both shows. It makes logical sense why they killed her off. Though I think that Jason hasn't done a very good job with this season he shouldn't be crucified for killing off a character just because she was a lesbian. He loved Lexa's character more than a lot of other main characters and she got way more screen time even though she was only a guest. So many fans are saying that they won't watch the show now that Lexa is dead and Clexa won't happen anymore. Get over it. Shows, especiailly shows like The 100 are NOT ABOUT SHIPS!! I really feel for people who had hope in her character but it's hypocritical to say they want equality and then only watch shows because of gay or lesbian relationships. Lexa was more than just a lesbian character she was also a commander, a friend, and a young girl who did amazing things for her people. Those people are truly not real fans of the 100 and i get why they are angry but it's just a show and shouldn't have that much affect on how you live your life. Don't be so concerned about being defined as something and just be yourself. 

      Yes, it does make sense, even though JR is kinda an ass, the show (even thoufn not the best) is somewhat enjoyable, even though I disagree with the "there are not real fans" part, you are mainly right The 100 films in Canada, Fear The Walking Dead recently moved production in Mexico, so a course it makes sense, and yeah he did love her character and had to beg to have her, so yeah, and even though sad I personally don't care

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    • NikkiNicks wrote:
      W0lfknight1 wrote:

      Apprently JR is bully and the cast dislike him.
      Yeah, but I think maybe the stress got to JR and he is taking it out on people

      Cool motive; still a bully.

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    • @TheOmegaWerewolf [And a whole bunch of other people...]

      Yup, she owns it. Kinda'...

      Becca is portrayed as a senior researcher (maybe even a C level executive) of a large tech company. They funded Polaris. They (her company) hired someone (portrayed by Roger Cross. I love that guy! Never get tired of seeing him in anything!) to be in charge of Polaris.

      He's just some guy they hired; she outranks him.

      Polaris was never part of the Ark. They "blew it out of the sky" (from S01, I believe) before it was part of the Ark.

      That was my take from **watching** the show... Totally happy to be corrected by... er... probably some tweets from the writers...

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    • @Skyzy

      Given that you've done "extensive" work on "the other wiki" what is our citation for JR being a "bully"?

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    • JR is Rollo of the 100. he had my respect for creating this amazing show, but then he did to it what ramsay did to sansa on their wedding night. tah is how he lost more respect from me than he ever got. in one episode.

      as fra as jason being a bully is conserned, a lot of people are saying bob doesnt like him and he had someproblems with lindsey, not even mentioning ricky, who he tottaly fucked up as a character... apparently jason has problems with the entire crew, actors and writers, so as soon as someone of the cast or crew confirms that, i will be willing to sign a petition, preventing JR from ever producing anything again....

      so let me know, if anyone starts that.

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    • I don't want to sign a petition to prevent him from writing anything because, as selfish as this sounds, I don't want this show to stop after only three seasons. I will however be up to signing a petition to get him to apologize to his crew if in fact the rumors about him are true.

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    • Yeah, no one should be bullied

      And

      Cool Motive; still a bully

      I'm not trying to dismiss that, cause no one should be bullied, and damn all the cast and crew, if a new showrunner will be coming next season,  I will be fine with that, just I hope if there will be one that they don't make the same mistakes JR made

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    • PersonofPerson2001 wrote:
      TheOmegaWerewolf wrote:

      PersonofPerson2001 wrote:


      51.174.32.107 wrote:
      PersonofPerson2001 wrote:
      Becca Owns Polaris Not Realistic How In The Word Did This Young Girl Get A Damn Space station i mean The usa Barely has one
      she owns it?
      Yeah She Said It 
      Ummmm... I don't think Becca owned Polaris. Polaris belonged to the Ark. Becca was from Polaris. If she said she owned it, then it's just self-proclaimed ownership.
      No She Said She Owned It When The Commander Asked To Do Something I Think She Did But Is it Realistic No


      Murphy said the symbol was a corperate logo, what if Becca is some sort of super Zuckerberg/Musk Hibred and is super duper rich?

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    • 5nine1 wrote:
      @Skyzy

      Given that you've done "extensive" work on "the other wiki" what is our citation for JR being a "bully"?

      I believe victims.

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    • Skyzy wrote:
      5nine1 wrote:
      @Skyzy

      Given that you've done "extensive" work on "the other wiki" what is our citation for JR being a "bully"?

      I believe victims.

      The thing is we dont really know what is going on with the whole jR thing and i believe that if there is a conflict going on (and we dont really know that before we hear it from one of the people actually involved and yes i know thats ricky whittles mum but still) then it should be solved privately like mature people do and not aired out. Thsi because when people air things, and others dont the public usually only sees part of the whole picture and then make assumptions based on that and then parts of that conflict often get a lot of public hate which they dont deserve. So for now the whole situation is based on assumptions people have made and they are only assumptions, not the whole truth

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    • shit, JR really put a governer kom TWD on this one.... some say it was stress, and ricky and him got in a fight or something like this.... but as there are other ppl calling hiim bully and saying he did not get along with the whole crew, cast, writers.... shit. i really was hoping(before 3x07) for a s4...

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    • Myheartisskippingbeats wrote:
      shit, JR really put a governer kom TWD on this one.... some say it was stress, and ricky and him got in a fight or something like this.... but as there are other ppl calling hiim bully and saying he did not get along with the whole crew, cast, writers.... shit. i really was hoping(before 3x07) for a s4...

      but its weird because if he is a piece of shit wouldnt you ahve expected him to get in some conflict already the first season? and also, if it is stress, why does he have more stress now (i mean this whole thign popped up before lexas death, i get why he has a lot stress right now)

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    • JR even bullies the fandom! He's a real life troll and people are trying to excuse him? SMH.

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    • if he really is a bully he isnt excused, we just dont that because we dont know the guy or anything concrete about what has happened (and in what way does he bully the fandom?)

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    • 51.174.32.107 wrote:
      Myheartisskippingbeats wrote:
      shit, JR really put a governer kom TWD on this one.... some say it was stress, and ricky and him got in a fight or something like this.... but as there are other ppl calling hiim bully and saying he did not get along with the whole crew, cast, writers.... shit. i really was hoping(before 3x07) for a s4...
      but its weird because if he is a piece of shit wouldnt you ahve expected him to get in some conflict already the first season? and also, if it is stress, why does he have more stress now (i mean this whole thign popped up before lexas death, i get why he has a lot stress right now)

      He has stress due to trying to please everyone, the fans, The CW Network, everyone and the stress bot to him and he's taking it out on anyone close to him

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    • Myheartisskippingbeats wrote:
      shit, JR really put a governer kom TWD on this one.... some say it was stress, and ricky and him got in a fight or something like this.... but as there are other ppl calling hiim bully and saying he did not get along with the whole crew, cast, writers.... shit. i really was hoping(before 3x07) for a s4...

      Oh, there will be a Season Four, most likely a new showrunner and maybe the upcoming episodes this season will make up for that, let's hope if there is a new showrunner, that they don't make the same mistakes he did and go their own path

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    • remember when finn died, we thought that the show would be a disaster.... well, they managed to pick it up after him, so maybe after this(dont know if i can write it) the show might still continue. just wanna make something clear here, i am a very big fan of the show, and yes, i was(shit, the feels about using the past tense) a clexa shipper, but i intend to continue to watch this show, cause, however dark that was, however long i cried and didnt sleep since i saw the episode, the 100 is still about the arkers and not the grounders...

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    • I'd like to ask, If anyone knows, how the A.L.I.E. 2.0 works. It was taken out of the commander's neck in Season 2, but what did it do?

      Did it influence her? Did it completely control her (That could be a possiblity since Becca said it was somehow partly human)? Was it dormant? Or maybe did it do the same thing as A.L.I.E., like  always being around. Can someone offer some ideas?

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    • PersonofPerson2001 wrote:
      1 . she maybe found a cure

      2. no cuz lexa's chip is alie 2.0 

      3 . she was a hologram in that island


      1. the cure was the black ooze she injected herself in. remember the nightbloods? they are probably decendants of anyone who recived the black ooze.

      2. I think that was what he was saying...

      3. true.

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    • I doubt their will be a season 4.

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    • Palantiri777 wrote:
      I'd like to ask, If anyone knows, how the A.L.I.E. 2.0 works. It was taken out of the commander's neck in Season 2, but what did it do?

      Did it influence her? Did it completely control her (That could be a possiblity since Becca said it was somehow partly human)? Was it dormant? Or maybe did it do the same thing as A.L.I.E., like  always being around. Can someone offer some ideas?

      I definetely think it influenced her, but judging by what lexa tells about the commanders talking in her sleep, im guessing that it influenced less on her personality and more on the choices she makes by the commanders appearing/ ALIE 2 giving her advice on a subconsious/dream level. I dont think it works in the same way as ALIE 1 because ALIE 1 was an AI stored solely as a computer program, not as this chip device that can actually interact with the commanders nervous system. ALIE 2 being human i dont think was as a means to control the commander, but more as a safety precaution to ensure no mass genocide would happen again. The fact that Becca seems to be Becca even when she has ALIE 2 connected to her, supports the idea that it is not somethign that takes over the person. Ultimately, i think it carries the memories of past commanders and is used to find the new one to ensure the survival of that group and detect the mistakes before they are made, and here the past knowledge is important in avoiding mistakes that repeat themselves as well as advising the new commander.

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    • I'd like to say something.

      Yes, the fandom seems massive. But, in actuality, the majority of the viewers on the show are casual viewers who just turn on their TV every week and tune in. They might be upset that Lexa died or Bellamy is OOC or whatever, but in the end it doesn't affect them as much. Most casual viewers will keep watching. The fandom doesn't have as much influence as people think and The 100 is still doing better this season than at least four other shows on the CW so it still has a chance of renewal. 

      You might not like it, but it's the truth. Twitter and Facebook followers are very weak and inaccurate representations of the viewers because casual viewers don't generally follow the show beyond their TV screen. 

      I get why people stop watching, but if it's just because Lexa died . . . I mean, that might not have even been avoidable. I doubt they would have gotten ADC for Season 4, from what it sounds like. So stop watching if you want, I totally get that, but just because Lexa is dead, doesn't mean the show is, too. One character doesn't make an entire TV series.

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    • Thewritersdiary wrote:
      Most casual viewers will keep watching.

      I mentioned it two weeks ago and I'm not sure how many casual viewers are still sticking around, but from my own personal sample, all the causual viewers I know already stopped watching. Usually, casual viewers appreciate plot over characters and have no loyalty to sticking it out through bad episodes. The plot has been such a mess this season, I would have already stopped watching this show as well if I hadn't become part of this fandom through the wikia.

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    • Skyzy wrote:
      Thewritersdiary wrote:
      Most casual viewers will keep watching.
      I mentioned it two weeks ago and I'm not sure how many casual viewers are still sticking around, but from my own personal sample, all the causual viewers I know already stopped watching. Usually, casual viewers appreciate plot over characters and have no loyalty to sticking it out through bad episodes. The plot has been such a mess this season, I would have already stopped watching this show as well if I hadn't become part of this fandom through the wikia.

      That's anecdotal evidence. I know at least 30 people in real life (ranging from teens to mid-fourties) who watch the show and as far as I know, none of them have stopped watching.

      From what I've gathered from them, they still find the show entertaining and because they have no major attachements to any characters, they are willing to look past a lot of the issues on the show. 

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    • Either way, the ratings next week will tell. ;)

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    • Skyzy wrote:
      Either way, the ratings next week will tell. ;)

      Yeah. I wish J. Rothenberg wasn't such a crappy guy (at least it appears that way). Unfortunately, I doubt the CW would bother to replace him with a different showrunner.

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    • I don't even think replacing him will help at this point. The only thing to save this show now is to do a TV movie reboot ret-conning all the Season 3 BS before starting Season 3 all over again.

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    • I strongly believe the second half of this season will be better than the first (how much better, that's hard to say). After episode 8, I think Polis, Arkadia, and the City of Light - the three different storylines - will finally be intertwined. 

      I just want to watch The 100, not whatever this is. I want to watch Clarke, Bellamy, Octavia, Raven, Jasper, Monty, Harper, Miller. Give me my show back! 

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    • It's too little, too late.

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    • 51.174.32.107 wrote:
      Skyzy wrote:
      5nine1 wrote:
      @Skyzy

      Given that you've done "extensive" work on "the other wiki" what is our citation for JR being a "bully"?

      I believe victims.
      The thing is we dont really know what is going on with the whole jR thing and i believe that if there is a conflict going on (and we dont really know that before we hear it from one of the people actually involved and yes i know thats ricky whittles mum but still) then it should be solved privately like mature people do and not aired out. Thsi because when people air things, and others dont the public usually only sees part of the whole picture and then make assumptions based on that and then parts of that conflict often get a lot of public hate which they dont deserve. So for now the whole situation is based on assumptions people have made and they are only assumptions, not the whole truth

      ^This is victim blaming, shaming, and silencing and the reason people who are bullied, abused, or raped rarely come forward.

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    • Thewritersdiary wrote:
      I'd like to say something.

      Yes, the fandom seems massive. But, in actuality, the majority of the viewers on the show are casual viewers who just turn on their TV every week and tune in. They might be upset that Lexa died or Bellamy is OOC or whatever, but in the end it doesn't affect them as much. Most casual viewers will keep watching. The fandom doesn't have as much influence as people think and The 100 is still doing better this season than at least four other shows on the CW so it still has a chance of renewal. 

      You might not like it, but it's the truth. Twitter and Facebook followers are very weak and inaccurate representations of the viewers because casual viewers don't generally follow the show beyond their TV screen. 

      I get why people stop watching, but if it's just because Lexa died . . . I mean, that might not have even been avoidable. I doubt they would have gotten ADC for Season 4, from what it sounds like. So stop watching if you want, I totally get that, but just because Lexa is dead, doesn't mean the show is, too. One character doesn't make an entire TV series.

      Damn right, the casual viever (like me) still watches the series even after a beloved Character has died, Lexa didn't make the show, Kass Morgan and the CW did, so it will pick up, I have faith

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    • 51.174.32.107 wrote:
      Palantiri777 wrote:
      I'd like to ask, If anyone knows, how the A.L.I.E. 2.0 works. It was taken out of the commander's neck in Season 2, but what did it do?

      Did it influence her? Did it completely control her (That could be a possiblity since Becca said it was somehow partly human)? Was it dormant? Or maybe did it do the same thing as A.L.I.E., like  always being around. Can someone offer some ideas?

      I definetely think it influenced her, but judging by what lexa tells about the commanders talking in her sleep, im guessing that it influenced less on her personality and more on the choices she makes by the commanders appearing/ ALIE 2 giving her advice on a subconsious/dream level. I dont think it works in the same way as ALIE 1 because ALIE 1 was an AI stored solely as a computer program, not as this chip device that can actually interact with the commanders nervous system. ALIE 2 being human i dont think was as a means to control the commander, but more as a safety precaution to ensure no mass genocide would happen again. The fact that Becca seems to be Becca even when she has ALIE 2 connected to her, supports the idea that it is not somethign that takes over the person. Ultimately, i think it carries the memories of past commanders and is used to find the new one to ensure the survival of that group and detect the mistakes before they are made, and here the past knowledge is important in avoiding mistakes that repeat themselves as well as advising the new commander.


      that actually makes alot of sense. thanks. But then what is up with "Blood must have blood"? Isn't that partially what ALIE2 Was programmed against doing? Lexa said that the spirits of the commanders before her were angry about her stopping the Vengeance Tradition so...

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    • I'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but why did the other stations blow up 13? Seemed like a rash reaction, a very cold one, I didn't understand it.

      Also, Murphy is like my favourite character now, I can't believe I'm saying that. He, Octavia, Miller, Lincoln, and Kane are like the only ones not making me mad lol

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    • Whitewalker000 wrote:
      I'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but why did the other stations blow up 13? Seemed like a rash reaction, a very cold one, I didn't understand it.

      Also, Murphy is like my favourite character now, I can't believe I'm saying that. He, Octavia, Miller, Lincoln, and Kane are like the only ones not making me mad lol

      I have to agree with you. If they knew about ALIE 1&2 maybe they would have had reason... but I really don't get why they blew it up. I heard something (I didn't quite hear it clearly) something like "Negative Polaris, If were gonna survive up here, extreme measures will be required. Let this be a lesson to all Federation stations. God rest your souls." then they fired a missile on Polaris... sending it down to earth (I had to rummage through like 15 ads and 100,000 buffer screens just so you know the quote wasn't easy)

      I get your fondness for Murphy. He just seems like a guy who got caught up in this whole thing. He does what most people (like me) would do. Try to survive, distance yourself from politics, and try and forget anything/anyone that could put you in harm's way. Murphy is like the balance, not trying to subdue others, not trying to join others, just trying to stay on his feet.

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    • And Something I'd like to add. Some people here (and in other places I am sure) were complaining about the death of a homosexual. I just want to say this is ridiculous. It's one thing if you say: "I am sad Lexa is gone because she was a great actress." or "it's sad how Lexa dies" or "Lexa could have added alot more to the plotline" but saying I am sorry she dies cuz she is gay is pretty sad. Is that why she is in the show? I surely hope not. It would be pretty sad if her main role was as Clarke's companion, and not the Commander. For instance: "I am sad that Finn is gone because I liked his hair" or "I wish mount weather hadn't got blown up because then they could have had Fiestas and drank martinis." They will probably put another lesbian/gay in there because that is the way the media tends to sway things. But in truth, putting a character in just so they will be sure not to offend members of LGBTQ would be pretty sad.

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    • Yeah, it would be, adding sexual diversity just for that reason is sad, and people are making such a big deal about, It's just a death of Character on a TV Show, it's not that big of a deal, sure maybe the Ckeca shippers were fooled into thinking her and Clarke were getting together, but i don't care (guaranteed I never liked Lexa) but people shouldn't lose their chill over just a Death of a TV Show Character, I personally think that Lexa's death had nothing to do with the behind the scenes drama, What happens on a TV Show and behind the scenes are completely different things, I am a bit annoyed by people making a big deal about just something that happened on a TV Show

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    • Palantiri777 wrote:
      51.174.32.107 wrote:
      Palantiri777 wrote:
      I'd like to ask, If anyone knows, how the A.L.I.E. 2.0 works. It was taken out of the commander's neck in Season 2, but what did it do?

      Did it influence her? Did it completely control her (That could be a possiblity since Becca said it was somehow partly human)? Was it dormant? Or maybe did it do the same thing as A.L.I.E., like  always being around. Can someone offer some ideas?

      I definetely think it influenced her, but judging by what lexa tells about the commanders talking in her sleep, im guessing that it influenced less on her personality and more on the choices she makes by the commanders appearing/ ALIE 2 giving her advice on a subconsious/dream level. I dont think it works in the same way as ALIE 1 because ALIE 1 was an AI stored solely as a computer program, not as this chip device that can actually interact with the commanders nervous system. ALIE 2 being human i dont think was as a means to control the commander, but more as a safety precaution to ensure no mass genocide would happen again. The fact that Becca seems to be Becca even when she has ALIE 2 connected to her, supports the idea that it is not somethign that takes over the person. Ultimately, i think it carries the memories of past commanders and is used to find the new one to ensure the survival of that group and detect the mistakes before they are made, and here the past knowledge is important in avoiding mistakes that repeat themselves as well as advising the new commander.

      that actually makes alot of sense. thanks. But then what is up with "Blood must have blood"? Isn't that partially what ALIE2 Was programmed against doing? Lexa said that the spirits of the commanders before her were angry about her stopping the Vengeance Tradition so...

      My guess is that ALIE 2 did not necessarily see blood must have blood as a mistake but rather as a way to mayeb keep order and establish a basic set of rules in the sense that if you break a rule there are harsh consequences. Stopping this vengeance tradition could be something that ALIE 2 would support (in some way) as the grounder world has changed when the 12 stations land, so that this old system needs to abandomed because it will not work when grounders and sky people need to share the land. This could be the reason why lexa agrees to change the tradition rather than solely doing it because clarke asks. However, the other commanders may disagree with this (and be in disagreement also with ALIE 2) on this because they see it as part of their tradition, as do most of lexas people like titus (they also dont have ALIE 2 so mayeb that makes a difference?)

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    • Palantiri777 wrote:
      Some people here (and in other places I am sure) were complaining about the death of a homosexual. I just want to say this is ridiculous.

      NikkiNicks wrote: It's just a death of Character on a TV Show, it's not that big of a deal, sure maybe the Ckeca shippers were fooled into thinking her and Clarke were getting together, but i don't care (guaranteed I never liked Lexa) but people shouldn't lose their chill over just a Death of a TV Show Character,

      Wow. Could you two be any more ignorant and insensitive? Please go educate yourselves a bit better before you continue making stupid comments like these that have no other purpose than to offend people. There is a difference between an articulate argument and purposefully insulting people. These rude comments have crossed that line. It's like the new version of the shipping war and it is tacky and disgusting that you are still trolling for Clexa fans. I have kept this wikia free from shipping wars this entire hiatus and I'm not about to let this BS start now under this cheap guise.

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    • I get where everyone is coming from on the LGBT Lexa dying issue. She was much more than her sexuality, but at the end of the day, it's still pushing forward that thing they do in movies and television where every same sex pairing has to end in tragedy. It always ends in tragedy. What does that say to young LGBT people watching? They don't get any legitimate representation when LGBT people on tv are treated with the same stereotypes. And having her die "tara-style" directly after sleeping with Clark was just...ahhhh it was just done weirdly for me, the whole thing.

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    • @NikkiNicks and Palantiri777:

      Wow.

      Wow.

      Stop.

      I have tried to be as clear as possible about this before, and I tried to be respectful, but I am really, really fed up with these completely ignorant comments about Lexa and her death's impact on the LGBT community. This is just going over the line and stomping all over it.

      I have articulated why Lexa means so much to the LGBT community time and time again and I am tired of hearing borderline homophobic comments being thrown out time and time again.

      I don't give two shits if Lexa is your least favorite character. I don't. You can crap on her all you want, more than you are already doing. That is fine: that is your opinion totally. Hell, crap on Clexa all you want. You are entitled to ship what you fucking want to ship. I have crapped on many fictional characters. Just look at my blog post on Hakeldama.

      Lexa is a fictional character. So crap on her.

      Unfortunately for you, the LGBT community IS NOT FICTION.

      You hating Lexa does NOT entitle you to goddamn attack THE FANS who loved her and related to her because of her sexuality. You hating Lexa does NOT entitle you to tell people to GET OVER IT.

      Because people. Cannot. Just. Get. Over. It.

      Lexa. Was.

      A lesbian.

      Let me repeat that again: Lexa was a lesbian. Do you not like to hear the fucking word lesbian or something? That is as much of a part of her as anything else is. She was a lesbian who was killed by a bullet two seconds after she was shown being happy.

      I can already list three other lesbians off of the top of my goddamn head who have suffered the exact same fate as her. And that's discounting gay characters.

      What the hell. Does that say to you.

      Let me offer you some hard statistics: 4% of all characters in pop culture are LGBT. that means the other 96% are totally straight.

      I can count on the fingers of one goddamn hand how many gay characters get some semblance of what the population likes to call a happy ending. Guardian mentioned that only four LGBT characters have had happy endings in the last nineteen years' worth of movies. Do you know what that means? Do you know how impacting that can be?

      Or do you not care about this plight?

      Because if you don't care, you SHOULDN'T be commenting about this in the first place.

      Anyway, to put it in a real-world context, when is the last time you heard of someone killed in real life because they're straight? Uh, never. Whereas homophobia-related crimes are being committed every fucking day across the country. So since reality is so inherently discriminatory against us, we turn to the slightly-better alternative: fiction.

      Obviously, even that is tainted.

      The LGBT community. Practically. Never. Gets. A. Happy. Ending. And the media reinforces that idea. Like MANY PEOPLE have pointed out before, Lexa is HARDLY the first gay character to suffer through the "Bury Your Gays" trope. Repeat this same old message year after year and you might start to understand how this could even begin to affect the LGBT community. There were literally masterposts circulating around listing LGBT suicide hotlines after the airing of "Thirteen" because this is how much her death affected the LGBT community, because.

      Lexa. Was. Gay.

      Watching her get shot and then die literally two minutes after she a) she was shown being happy for the first time in like...ever and b) realized she had a chance with Clarke (whom I would argue was the love of Lexa's life) really fucking hurt. On top of the fact that the entire funky scene STANK of Tara Maclay, I won't even try to describe how much it hurt. There are literally no words.

      The wrath over Lexa's death spans FAR beyond her. It spans over two decades of systematic, covert discrimination...and in some cases, not so covert. (Look at your own comments.) I hate to reduce it down to "straights" and "gays," but here's the hard fact: straight people can literally turn to any other TV show airing and get deeply invested in another straight relationship should something happened like it did to Lexa. Can you say the same thing about the LGBT community? Who, I repeat, is only represented 4% of the time in pop culture? I...I don't know how to put it more clearly. I don't. I really, really don't.

      You. Have. No. Right. To. Be. Telling. People. To. Get. Over. Lexa's. Death.

      You have no right.

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    • please stop. no, really, stop. stop posting anything related to LGBT or lexa being... because she was a lesbian(nope, still not over the past tense necesity)

      and do not tell people to get over her, because i watched that episode 4 times and i am still not able to watch it without crying at the end...

      ido not care about LGBT(honestly, i do not even know what that stands for but i guess it stands for homosexual comunity or something....) lexa was more then that and she deserves not to be a subject of your (sorry but it true) stupid thinking about her....... being related to her being in love with a woman. BASICLY(dedicated to DOCTOR WHO), this goes for both sides here, ok. she was made a star in a diffrent show and could no longer film this one, so they gave her some happines before........ sure, i hate JR for doing it litterally during clarke`s walk of shame... but it happened. so stop writing about it because there was no hidden reason, no agenda, no conspiracy.... adc stars in a diffrent show, so jason knew there would be no good way to do... it. so he atleast gave her some happines before. again, i agree about the shitty piss poor writing about it, but atleast eliza and adc did a great job acting.

      so, let us honor(symbolicly) her death by following the same policy about blood must not have blood. and stop fighting about this. someone has to take the first step... let it be you(dedicated to ADC)

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    • <18-metric-tons-of-shade> 8))))))))))) </18-metric-tons-of-shade>

      1) that comment was so offensive on so many levels.

      2) i will stop talking about lexa's death, lexa being gay, and how the way she died affected thousands of lgbt people when she died when it stops. happening.

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    • Sparkstoaflame wrote:
      @NikkiNicks and Palantiri777:

      Wow.

      Wow.

      Stop.

      I have tried to be as clear as possible about this before, and I tried to be respectful, but I am really, really fed up with these completely ignorant comments about Lexa and her death's impact on the LGBT community. This is just going over the line and stomping all over it.

      I have articulated why Lexa means so much to the LGBT community time and time again and I am tired of hearing borderline homophobic comments being thrown out time and time again.

      I don't give two shits if Lexa is your least favorite character. I don't. You can crap on her all you want, more than you are already doing. That is fine: that is your opinion totally. Hell, crap on Clexa all you want. You are entitled to ship what you fucking want to ship. I have crapped on many fictional characters. Just look at my blog post on Hakeldama.

      Lexa is a fictional character. So crap on her.

      Unfortunately for you, the LGBT community IS NOT FICTION.

      You hating Lexa does NOT entitle you to goddamn attack THE FANS who loved her and related to her because of her sexuality. You hating Lexa does NOT entitle you to tell people to GET OVER IT.

      Because people. Cannot. Just. Get. Over. It.

      Lexa. Was.

      A lesbian.

      Let me repeat that again: Lexa was a lesbian. Do you not like to hear the fucking word lesbian or something? That is as much of a part of her as anything else is. She was a lesbian who was killed by a bullet two seconds after she was shown being happy.

      I can already list three other lesbians off of the top of my goddamn head who have suffered the exact same fate as her. And that's discounting gay characters.

      What the hell. Does that say to you.

      Let me offer you some hard statistics: 4% of all characters in pop culture are LGBT. that means the other 96% are totally straight.

      I can count on the fingers of one goddamn hand how many gay characters get some semblance of what the population likes to call a happy ending. Guardian mentioned that only four LGBT characters have had happy endings in the last nineteen years' worth of movies. Do you know what that means? Do you know how impacting that can be?

      Or do you not care about this plight?

      Because if you don't care, you SHOULDN'T be commenting about this in the first place.

      Anyway, to put it in a real-world context, when is the last time you heard of someone killed in real life because they're straight? Uh, never. Whereas homophobia-related crimes are being committed every fucking day across the country. So since reality is so inherently discriminatory against us, we turn to the slightly-better alternative: fiction.

      Obviously, even that is tainted.

      The LGBT community. Practically. Never. Gets. A. Happy. Ending. And the media reinforces that idea. Like MANY PEOPLE have pointed out before, Lexa is HARDLY the first gay character to suffer through the "Bury Your Gays" trope. Repeat this same old message year after year and you might start to understand how this could even begin to affect the LGBT community. There were literally masterposts circulating around listing LGBT suicide hotlines after the airing of "Thirteen" because this is how much her death affected the LGBT community, because.

      Lexa. Was. Gay.

      Watching her get shot and then die literally two minutes after she a) she was shown being happy for the first time in like...ever and b) realized she had a chance with Clarke (whom I would argue was the love of Lexa's life) really fucking hurt. On top of the fact that the entire funky scene STANK of Tara Maclay, I won't even try to describe how much it hurt. There are literally no words.

      The wrath over Lexa's death spans FAR beyond her. It spans over two decades of systematic, covert discrimination...and in some cases, not so covert. (Look at your own comments.) I hate to reduce it down to "straights" and "gays," but here's the hard fact: straight people can literally turn to any other TV show airing and get deeply invested in another straight relationship should something happened like it did to Lexa. Can you say the same thing about the LGBT community? Who, I repeat, is only represented 4% of the time in pop culture? I...I don't know how to put it more clearly. I don't. I really, really don't.

      You. Have. No. Right. To. Be. Telling. People. To. Get. Over. Lexa's. Death.

      You have no right.


      Holy Shit. I m sorry. I in no way meant to be homophobic.  However, according to the wasington post, 96.6% of people are straight. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/07/15/what-percentage-of-the-u-s-population-is-gay-lesbian-or-bisexual/) on top of that, a study by the guardian states this:

      "Over an age-range from 16 to 74, 1% of women and 1.5% of men consider themselves gay/lesbian, and 1.4% of women and 1% of men think of themselves as bisexual. But there is a clear gradient with age, with a much higher proportion in younger people, particularly in younger women: the percentage for women between 16 and 24 jumps nearly fourfold." (that is data according to Natsal)

      Again, I in no way mean to offend anyone. I was just stating my opinion on Lexa's death. I also in no way wanted to "crap on her" as i thought she was a good edition to the plot. I am very sorry if I offended you, as that was not my intention.

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    • Skyzy wrote:
      Palantiri777 wrote:
      Some people here (and in other places I am sure) were complaining about the death of a homosexual. I just want to say this is ridiculous.

      NikkiNicks wrote: It's just a death of Character on a TV Show, it's not that big of a deal, sure maybe the Ckeca shippers were fooled into thinking her and Clarke were getting together, but i don't care (guaranteed I never liked Lexa) but people shouldn't lose their chill over just a Death of a TV Show Character,

      Wow. Could you two be any more ignorant and insensitive? Please go educate yourselves a bit better before you continue making stupid comments like these that have no other purpose than to offend people. There is a difference between an articulate argument and purposefully insulting people. These rude comments have crossed that line. It's like the new version of the shipping war and it is tacky and disgusting that you are still trolling for Clexa fans. I have kept this wikia free from shipping wars this entire hiatus and I'm not about to let this BS start now under this cheap guise.


      I am very sorry. I in no way meant to be offensive. I was in no way trying to be insensitive, and as for ignorant I don't quite know what you mean. In what way was I purposefully insulting people? I was merely giving my opinion. also, you took the first 2 sentences of my argument only. I state my reasoning in the following sentences. However, if I offended you please fogive me. I didn't mean to offend anyone, as I was just stating my opinion. I'm sorry.

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    • 8) k, tell me this: what was their sample pool? from where did they select these people from? it doesn't even say it was random. in any case, random does NOT imply objectivity. are you sure selection bias doesn't exist in that survey?

      and frankly, i doubt it factors in people who are too scared to come out of the closet because society is still so homophobic to the point where hate crimes against lgbt people are still. being. committed. every. day.

      but let's play devil's advocate. you know, for the sake of playing devil's advocate.

      so the other 3.4% just should just watch themselves get shot in the chest. again and again. for over. 14. years. right?

      because that's what's been happening.

      i don't think you are homophobic. but commenting that people should get over her death when there has been someone who has landed him/herself in the hospital because of this? yes, that is borderline casual homophobia. i honestly don't think you meant it intentionally. but it still stings. granted, you should NEVER land yourself in the hospital because of a tv show, but it happened. because lexa's death impacted young lgbt people who watched the show, got disgustingly queerbaited, and then got burned.

      tell them to get over lexa's death.

      and then tell that to my face again.

      i am sorry for sounding so bitter. i really am. but i'm sick of reading these comments over and over and over again. i stayed out of it for 2 days. i can't stay out of it anymore.

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    • Skyzy wrote:
      Palantiri777 wrote:
      Some people here (and in other places I am sure) were complaining about the death of a homosexual. I just want to say this is ridiculous.

      NikkiNicks wrote: It's just a death of Character on a TV Show, it's not that big of a deal, sure maybe the Ckeca shippers were fooled into thinking her and Clarke were getting together, but i don't care (guaranteed I never liked Lexa) but people shouldn't lose their chill over just a Death of a TV Show Character,

      Wow. Could you two be any more ignorant and insensitive? Please go educate yourselves a bit better before you continue making stupid comments like these that have no other purpose than to offend people. There is a difference between an articulate argument and purposefully insulting people. These rude comments have crossed that line. It's like the new version of the shipping war and it is tacky and disgusting that you are still trolling for Clexa fans. I have kept this wikia free from shipping wars this entire hiatus and I'm not about to let this BS start now under this cheap guise.

      I am sorry but I fail to see how those two guys said anything ignorant and insensitive. How are they purposefully insulting people, or trolling Clexa fans? They clearly said that they understand why people are upset, but that the way they are acting are irrational. I find it quite hypocritical that you are judging them for what you call "rude" and "purposefully insulting people" when you are insulting JR and the way he is writing the episodes. I am aware that there is a rumor about him bullying Ricky Whittle which may or may not be true, but that is not the reason you are bashing on him, you are bashing on him because you can't accept the fact that one of your favorite characters is gone, and that insulting him isn't going to bring her back. The reason she left is because she is gonna be on The Walking Dead, and originally she wasn't going to be in Season 3 and in the end JR was the reason that she stayed on and he had to go as far as beg her to stay. We are not deliberately trying to upset anyone or troll anyone. I am sad that she is gone, yes. But honestly, there is more BS coming from you than them.

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    • Sparkstoaflame wrote:
      8) k, tell me this: what was their sample pool? from where did they select these people from? it doesn't even say it was random. in any case, random does NOT imply objectivity. are you sure selection bias doesn't exist in that survey?

      and frankly, i doubt it factors in people who are too scared to come out of the closet because society is still so homophobic to the point where hate crimes against lgbt people are still. being. committed. every. day.

      but let's play devil's advocate. you know, for the sake of playing devil's advocate.

      so the other 3.4% just should just watch themselves get shot in the chest. again and again. for over. 14. years. right?

      because that's what's been happening.

      i don't think you are homophobic. but commenting that people should get over her death when there has been someone who has landed him/herself in the hospital because of this? yes, that is borderline casual homophobia. i honestly don't think you meant it intentionally. but it still stings. granted, you should NEVER land yourself in the hospital because of a tv show, but it happened. because lexa's death impacted young lgbt people who watched the show, got disgustingly queerbaited, and then got burned.

      tell them to get over lexa's death.

      and then tell that to my face again.

      i am sorry for sounding so bitter. i really am. but i'm sick of reading these comments over and over and over again. i stayed out of it for 2 days. i can't stay out of it anymore.


      I'm sorry, are you saying people went to the hospital because of this episode? I am sorry if that is not what you were saying. If that is what you are saying, I had no idea. But as far as I am aware, I never said to "get over it" I simply didn't understand why anyone would be more sad about losing a lesbian rather than losing a influential character. As for the re-search, I chose sites that i thought were notable. I don't want to argue. I didn't even want to in the first place. I understand that sometimes you have to be bitter to get your point across.

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    • We shouldn't be calling each other names over this. We all come from different lives with different perspectives on this issue, so it's important that we take the time to hear each other out. Straight people may not be able to understand, but for LGBT and POC representation is important. It's self esteem building and empowering to see someone like yourself on television. And then it just gets destroyed like most LGBT couples on shows. 

      I get why they killed Lexa, in fact, I'm happy they killed her because it's going to move the story forward (also the whole ALIE 2.0 reveal was so cool) but the way they went about it was awful. 

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    • "I'm sorry, are you saying people went to the hospital because of this episode?"

      Unfortunately, yes.

      "I simply didn't understand why anyoe would be more sad about losing a lesbian rather than losing a influential character."

      in NO WAY am i saying that lexa was NOT an influential character. let me explain:

      you've got people like raven, who (and i'm boiling it down a lot here) embodies tenacity. you've got people like lincoln, who embodies courage. you've got people like clarke, you've got people like octavia, you've got people like bellamy...

      and you've got people like lexa.

      to me, lexa was so important. not just as a gay character, but because she was lexa. idgaf what the show will do with the next heda. why? because they ain't lexa. lexa was special. lexa was strong, compassionate, powerful, intelligent, beautiful, commanding, and strategic. lexa had this gravitas about her that immediately attracted her to her character the moment she appeared on screen. even before she was revealed as lgbt, i really, really liked her.

      but lexa was also important to me because she was a gay character.

      she was representation. she was a strong, compassionate, powerful, intelligent, beautiful, commanding, and strategic gay woman who did not sacrifice ANY of those aforementioned traits to the wind. there are plenty of strong characters like that, but there are so, so few characters who happen to possess those traits and also happen to be positive representation for the lgbt community. she was more than a plot device.

      the reason i don't bring UP the fact that lexa was everything other than gay is because everyone knows this. no one QUESTIONS this. no one COMPLAINS about her being strong or whatever. but people are complaining that fans are getting too worked up over lexa's death because she's gay, and THAT is why i am so vehement on the subject. that is why i talk about how this aspect of her character in particular is so affecting.

      is lexa more than her sexuality? certainly.

      but lexa's sexuality is also a part of who she is. and people shouldn't be diminishing the impact of that.

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    • Sparkstoaflame wrote:

      she was representation. she was a strong, compassionate, powerful, intelligent, beautiful, commanding, and strategic gay woman who did not sacrifice ANY of those aforementioned traits to the wind. there are plenty of strong characters like that, but there are so, so few characters who happen to possess those traits and also happen to be positive representation for the lgbt community. she was more than a plot device.

      THIS EXACTLY. As a closeted LGBT person, it's so empowering and encouraging to see someone like Lexa on television. She was a lesbian but she wasn't a stereotype. She was intelligent, beautiful, strong, all those things you said. I don't think people understand how much she meant to a lot of people, me included.

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    • Sparkstoaflame wrote:
      "I'm sorry, are you saying people went to the hospital because of this episode?"

      Unfortunately, yes.

      "I simply didn't understand why anyoe would be more sad about losing a lesbian rather than losing a influential character."

      in NO WAY am i saying that lexa was NOT an influential character. let me explain:

      you've got people like raven, who (and i'm boiling it down a lot here) embodies tenacity. you've got people like lincoln, who embodies courage. you've got people like clarke, you've got people like octavia, you've got people like bellamy...

      and you've got people like lexa.

      to me, lexa was so important. not just as a gay character, but because she was lexa. idgaf what the show will do with the next heda. why? because they ain't lexa. lexa was special. lexa was strong, compassionate, powerful, intelligent, beautiful, commanding, and strategic. lexa had this gravitas about her that immediately attracted her to her character the moment she appeared on screen. even before she was revealed as lgbt, i really, really liked her.

      but lexa was also important to me because she was a gay character.

      she was representation. she was a strong, compassionate, powerful, intelligent, beautiful, commanding, and strategic gay woman who did not sacrifice ANY of those aforementioned traits to the wind. there are plenty of strong characters like that, but there are so, so few characters who happen to possess those traits and also happen to be positive representation for the lgbt community. she was more than a plot device.

      the reason i don't bring UP the fact that lexa was everything other than gay is because everyone knows this. no one QUESTIONS this. no one COMPLAINS about her being strong or whatever. but people are complaining that fans are getting too worked up over lexa's death because she's gay, and THAT is why i am so vehement on the subject. that is why i talk about how this aspect of her character in particular is so affecting.

      is lexa more than her sexuality? certainly.

      but lexa's sexuality is also a part of who she is. and people shouldn't be diminishing the impact of that.

      I agree with the fact that her sexuality was who she was, but in this fictional world, the sexuality did not at all matter. It was just there but not brought on focus because in this fictional world, society had evolved to the point where having a certain sexuality was as important as your nose: it didnt matter what it looked like it was just a part of you and not a big deal. Therefore I think its wrong to brign her sexuailty out on such a big level because the whole strength in this was that it really genuinly didnt matter so that you were not in any way defined by your sexuality, which is why it was never mentioned. This isnt to say that lexa isnt important as a LGBT representation but the point is that people have been putting too much focus on that, as if it was the defining point of her story. It really wasnt she was the grounder commander and she fell in love with someone. that is what is important, not her sexuality. that was just a natural part of her, and not at all a main point in the story.

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    • WE do not live in the world of the 100. WE live in OUR world, where homophobia is still a problem, where the lgbt community is still discriminated against.

      that's why her presence matters.

      "point is that people have been putting too much focus on that, as if it was the defining point of her story"

      i repeat:

      the reason i don't bring UP the fact that lexa was everything other than gay is because everyone knows this. no one QUESTIONS this. no one COMPLAINS about her being strong or whatever. but people are complaining that fans are getting too worked up over lexa's death because she's gay, and THAT is why i am so vehement on the subject. that is why i talk about how this aspect of her character in particular is so affecting.

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    • With so much focus on Lexa no has brought up the effect that it will have on Clarke. Both Finn and Lexa, the people who she loved died in front of her. She is going to be even more of a mess now. I feel so bad for her. Like could you imagine opening your heart to not one but 2 people and then them both being killed in front of you? I know she wont be in the next episode but I really want her to just walk back into Arkadia and fuck shit up. Like take back the leadership and then be all super badass and say "This is how it's gonna go now people. Get with it or get tf out" 

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    • I'm closing this thread before this gets any more out of hand. If you want to talk about Lexa's death, start a new thread. If you'd like to continue talking about the episode Thirteen, start a new thread.

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