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  • So I just watched this episode and I know not everyone has seen it yet so I won't post any spoilers until more people have. If and when you see the episode, please leave your thoughts. All I will say for now is OH. MY. GOD.

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    • So, I cheated and watched an east-coast stream but it wasn't the best quality. I'll be watching it again when it comes on TV here in another couple of hours and will refrain from commenting until then. :)

      For now, all I will say is Lexa is beautiful and is Polis named after the tower, like maybe they call it a Pole?

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    • Skyzy wrote:

      For now, all I will say is Lexa is beautiful and is Polis named after the tower, like maybe they call it a Pole?

      Yes, Lexa did look really, really beautiful when she was introduced in this episode.

      Polis also means "city" in Greek, and it could be metropolis as well. 

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    • 1) I wasn't really surprised that Azgeda killed children, but it's good Monty's dad at least managed to save four. Kinda bummed we won't be seeing his dad but at least his reunion with his mom was cute.

      2) Glad Nyko will be sticking around at least for awhile. "Welcome back, Brother." Too sweet.

      3) I'm glad they showed a little bit of Polis in this episode, and loved the fireworks between Clarke and Lexa.

      4) Prince Roan, huh? Guess IN is sort of similar to how the MM ruled (passed down from a parent to a child). Is there a king, I wonder? Is he dead? Was there ever one? I assume if there was one, it would be Roan's father, but I like the idea of Nia being the supreme leader of the IN without a king.

      5) So Otan had been to the City of Light, lied about it, and then tried to kill his sister. Nice guy.

      6) Maybe when Emori and Murphy set off on the boat together it was a sign that their ship had officially set sail. ;)

      7) Ah, the City of Light. So any ideas on how that works exactly when somebody dies IRL? Maybe only the people who have "traveled there" before get to return after death (as sort of an afterlife). While the others who never journeyed there don't end up there. Also, ALIE's plan is kind of... Unorganized (lack of a better term). She wants to repopulate Earth by sending everyone to the COL, but it's not real. If everyone goes there, can they still die IRL from old age? If everyone returns to the COL after their death IRL, then do they live there forever? Also, what happens if the backpack containing ALIE and the COL is destroyed? Do the people already living there disappear, too? I will admit that I wasn't too into the ALIE storyline, but am more interested in it now after seeing tonight's episode.

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    • I've stopped theorizing about the City of Light and those images of the finale. It's just too much for my brain to handle.

      That being said, I'm probably going to start the theories up again, like, tomorrow, haha.

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    • Didn't anyone else get the idea that Pike was lying and Monty's dad died another way? Maybe I need to rewatch it but it seems like Pike jumped in at the last minute to save Monty's mom (as she seemed really hesitant) and give Monty a different story. 

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    • 76.66.147.121 wrote:
      Didn't anyone else get the idea that Pike was lying and Monty's dad died another way? Maybe I need to rewatch it but it seems like Pike jumped in at the last minute to save Monty's mom (as she seemed really hesitant) and give Monty a different story. 

      I didn't think about it as I was watching, but looking back, you could totally be right. You've made me skeptical.

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    • Thewritersdiary wrote:

      76.66.147.121 wrote:
      Didn't anyone else get the idea that Pike was lying and Monty's dad died another way? Maybe I need to rewatch it but it seems like Pike jumped in at the last minute to save Monty's mom (as she seemed really hesitant) and give Monty a different story. 

      I didn't think about it as I was watching, but looking back, you could totally be right. You've made me skeptical.

      Same. I didn't really put much thought into it, but good theory. Maybe Pike killed him or left him for dead? He said "no one gets left behind" but based on the trailer and descriptions of his character, I can easily see him doing something along those lines. It actually surprised me when he was willing to go after Clarke. Seems like somebody who wouldn't risk doing that, no matter if she was his best student. Before Pike told Monty what happened, I'd assumed that an Azgeda warrior killed him when he was out and about in the woods.

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    • Also, something that confused me, what did Pike mean by the rest of his people are camped out in the mountain? What mountain?

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    • 76.66.147.121 wrote:
      Didn't anyone else get the idea that Pike was lying and Monty's dad died another way? Maybe I need to rewatch it but it seems like Pike jumped in at the last minute to save Monty's mom (as she seemed really hesitant) and give Monty a different story. 


      I didn't really understand the story at first and thought it was some kind of killer snow or something. The story was so anti-climactic to her not wanting to tell him that it made me wonder if that was the truth. If not, what are they lying about and why? They went full Donner Party over the winter was my guess.

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    • TheOmegaWerewolf wrote:
      Also, something that confused me, what did Pike mean by the rest of his people are camped out in the mountain? What mountain?

      Yeah, I have no idea what they meant. It can't be Mount Weather. But what other mountain? . . .

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    • TheOmegaWerewolf wrote:
      Also, something that confused me, what did Pike mean by the rest of his people are camped out in the mountain? What mountain?


      What part was this? In the first scene, he said the rest of the 63 Farm Station residents were in a cave and that's where everyone else went to get them. In the scene where he's talking with Kane about MW, he's saying the rest of the SP should be camped out in the Mountain, not at Arkadia (strength over diplomacy, basically).

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    • @TheOmegaWerewolf

      1) Did anyone else get the sense that Monty's mom was looking a little uncomfortable once Pike started talking? She was quite hesitant to talk about here "hero" husband... (Edit: Yup, everyone else did to... :)

      2) Agreed. Would love to see a Nyko/Jackson led medical centre that combined the best of both cultures medical knowledge. That red river weed was pretty magical...

      3) Beautiful scene. Loved the spit in the face. Looking forward to their next reunion :)

      4) see British Monarchy Queen Elizabeth II has never been married to a "king".

      5) I believe Otan's first journey to the City of Light was in this episode. So, no lies.

      6) That pair of rogues will have a most excellent story. Really looking forward to what those two get up to together. :)

      7) The leaked finale footage pretty much gave the "City of Light" away. It's the matrix, now with personality back up.

      Further to the last point, my money is on that Jasper "discovers" (i.e. is recruited to the cult of) The City of Light, and then refuses to leave. Clarke has to go in and try and convince to return to real life.

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    • Skyzy: You're probably right. The sound wasn't great where I was watching this episode, so there's a very high chance I misheard everything.

      Also, slightly off-topic, but I'm glad they didn't kill Niylah off, despite the fact that we probably won't see her again. And was anyone else reminded of Season 1 when Bellamy wanted to cut off Clarke's hand for her wristband (but didn't)? I have no idea if this was intentional or not, but I was reminded because the Grounder was threatening to cut off the hand that had the wristband on it. 

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    • (Randomly replying to multiple comments, since threaded comments don't seem to exist...)

      Kane: "How many of there are you?"

      Pike: "63, the rest are camped in the mountains north of here"

      That would suggest that he has 62 people with him and more are camped in the mountains (note the plural, sometimes big hills are just big hills) to the north of their current location.

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    • Nah. From what I gathered there are 63 in his group (total) - they aren't all with him

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    • @Milks26

      Probably a dialog fuck up, but Pike most certainly said "63, the **rest** are [...]"

      Given that, there are more people "camped in the mountains to the north".

      I have no idea what the writers actually meant....

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    • Okay, so since a lot of people have joined the conversation, I'll leave some of my thoughts.

      1. Did anyone else get the feeling that Bellamy and Pike had met before? When Pike mentioned Clarke being good in his Earth Skills class, Bellamy said "nice to see you, sir". Not "nice to meet you". It sounded more like they had met and were reuniting again. Maybe Pike not only taught Clarke, but Bellamy too (although probably years before). 

      2. I'm so happy that Monty is getting more screentime this season. And I am really liking his relationship with Bellamy. The same goes for Kane. And also kind of Indra, too (although she doesn't really have a defined relationship with Bellamy). The Kane/Indra dynamic is interesting.

      3. I also am enjoying Roan and Pike's characters, too. They both are off to a strong start and the actors have done great jobs so far at portraying them. Although I'm not too certain about their morals, they are at the very least intriguing. Also, it should be noted that Roan could have very easily killed Bellamy, but chose not to. Clarke's threat was meaningless. Roan had her tied up - fighting back would do her no good and Roan would easily win. I'd like to think there is more to him than meets the eye. Plus, that reveal of "Prince Roan" was neat.

      4. I'm getting a total Matrix vibe out of the City of Light (and a bit of Lost, too). I'll leave it at that, otherwise I will get too caught up in my theories.

      5. I thought that Devon Bostick was really great in this episode. Although the Mount Weather storylien with Nyko and Abby/Lincoln etc was the least interesting part of this episode (in my opinion) I thought he did an awesome job. That haircut seems to be doing things. Maybe it's because you can see his eyes more clearly. After all, the eyes are the window to the soul. . . . And I'm happy to see Octavia and Jasper's friendship again, however briefly. It was seriously lacking in Season 2.

      6. And my god. I feel so horrible for Bellamy. I don't even know where to begin, but this episode just made me adore him even more. Not sure how quickly that leg wound will heal, though . . . Hopefully soon. We already have one Raven on our hands (not that this is anything like that) - I would hate to see another main unable to fight for a while. 

      7. That shot of Polis was pretty cool. Nice reveal. Although it didn't really look like a real city to me (cause it isn't). I imagine there must have been a lot of CGI or green screen used for that.

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    • 1. Did anyone else get the feeling that Bellamy and Pike had met before? When Pike mentioned Clarke being good in his Earth Skills class, Bellamy said "nice to see you, sir". Not "nice to meet you". It sounded more like they had met and were reuniting again. Maybe Pike not only taught Clarke, but Bellamy too (although probably years before).

      Pike was a teacher so all kids on the Ark passed through his class. He's interaction with Monty showed familiarity also. For ppl stuck in space for decades keeping Earth Skills alive for several generations was top priority.

      I'm happy the writers made Pike a teacher. He's a natural born leader, charismatic and its understandable why he has such a big influence on people, which showed throughout the entire episode.

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    • I Think Pike Is Gonna Mess EveryThing Up I Hateded Him From The Promos

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    • PersonofPerson2001 wrote: I Think Pike Is Gonna Mess EveryThing Up I Hateded Him From The Promos

      Eh. He's definitely gonna start some kind of war/dispute, but I can understand his anger and hatred for the Grounders. He didn't land near a visionary like Lexa. He landed near an unmerciful queen (I don't doubt that Azgeda killed the children he talked about, but I still don't fully believe Monty's dad died trying to save some). He thinks they are all the same because he hasn't gotten to know any others (Lincoln, Nyko, etc). I hope we get flashbacks (or at least some short stories) of how life was like for Farm Station when they first landed. I can't hate him for the situation he was unfairly thrown into, but I definitely hope he realizes there are a few different types of Grounders and not all are as savage as the Ice Nation.

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    • unless they colonise mt weather they still dont stand a chance in a real war. 

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    • Thomas762 wrote:
      unless they colonise mt weather they still dont stand a chance in a real war. 

      It looks like the Ice Nation is the antagonist this season (or one of the major ones). That means that if the Ice Nation starts a war not only against the Sky People, but the Trikru as well, they could be allies again. Then they would stand a chance, despite the Ice Nation being large.

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    • Especially if they use Mount Weather's arsenal.

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    • Skyzy wrote:
      Especially if they use Mount Weather's arsenal.

      Yeah, and I imagine they would if/when they go to war, unless they're stupid.

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    • the grounders are not going to go for that they are stupid they see mt weather as evil and they are not going to touch that with a ten foot pole and we have allready seen that lexa cant be trusted she would sell the sky people out in a second.

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    • Thomas762 wrote:
      the grounders are not going to go for that they are stupid they see mt weather as evil and they are not going to touch that with a ten foot pole and we have allready seen that lexa cant be trusted she would sell the sky people out in a second.

      We weren't talking about the Grounders - we were talking about the Sky People if they go to war. Maybe the Grounders (if they are allied with the Sky People) wouldn't use it, but I imagine the others would. Also, I'm pretty sure that Lexa wouldn't sell out the Sky People unless it would be beneficial to her. I doubt the Ice Nation would make any sort of deal with the Woods Clan where Lexa would even have that option. I'm even more doubtful that the writers would repeat the same storyline as Season 2. 

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    • but how would that tie into alie and everything that's going on with jaha/murphy/the city of light? that's some really trippy stuff.

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    • Sparkstoaflame wrote:
      but how would that tie into alie and everything that's going on with jaha/murphy/the city of light? that's some really trippy stuff.

      It's too early to tell, but remember that we do see Jaha in Arkadia in the trailer, so that's probably how they'll find out about A.L.I.E. Whether they actually believe him is another story, but he'll probably recruit a couple people and I have a feeling that Jasper will be one of them (which would explain why we see him in the City of Light in the finale). From there I don't know.

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    • I have to start by saying the CGI of the tower at the very end was really awful looking to me ahaha but the budget for the show can only stretch so far I suppose lol 

      1) I love the reveal of Farm Station being alive. I nearly jumped up out of my seat when we found out that was Monty's mother. I'm looking forward to seeing other people from Camp Jaha reunited with people from Farm Station. 

      2) I think it's really unlikely that Pyke is telling the truth about how Monty's father died. Like Skyzy said, Monty's mother was so reluctant to tell him what happened. I understand her not wanting to think about it, but they built so much tension about it. If it turns out Monty's father really did die saving those children, then it's just kind of bad writing IMO, having tension built for nothing.

      3) I don't even try to understand the City of Light storyline. All I know is that Emori and Murphy are an interesting pair, and I'm curious to see where they go to.

      4) Am I the only fan who doesn't like Lexa? Great actress of course, and great writing, but just the character herself, I can't stand her. I'm so happy Clark spit in her face. 

      5) I love more screen time for Monty, I love Bellamy as I always do, I'm so glad to have Nyco back in the story, and I love the Kane/Indra scenes. 

      6) I hope Jasper gets closure from being at the Mountain. I love his character. I hope he finds peace and is able to repair his relationship with Bellamy, Clark, and especially Monty, though that might never be possible. I just hope his and Monty's story doesn't end as tragically as I think it will.

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    • ^ I agree with the comment about CGI. When I first saw it I thought "that doesn't look real at all". But I'm willing to excuse it all as long as the story is good, because that's all that really matters to me.

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    • ^^^ Yes I completely agree. The 100 has a remarkable landscape and fantastic hair, makeup, and costumes, so visually, if they're lacking in the CGI department, it's really irrelevant. 

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    • Don't you guys remember all the space shots of the Ark and the fireballs and most of Arkadia? That's all CGI. The CGI on this show is fantastic. The Polis scene, on the other hand, was too undefined for me to judge harshly but I'm certain we'll be getting much better and more clear shots in the next few episodes.

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    • The show has definitely had some great CGI in the past, I was just very unimpressed with the tower. Sometimes that does just happen on a show though. Game of Thrones has brilliant CGI, but there's a scene in Season 4 where the CGI is really not up to par. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing more of The Polis!

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    • Whitewalker000 wrote:
      The show has definitely had some great CGI in the past, I was just very unimpressed with the tower. Sometimes that does just happen on a show though. Game of Thrones has brilliant CGI, but there's a scene in Season 4 where the CGI is really not up to par. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing more of The Polis!

      I agree with this. The CGI has been awesome for a lot of the scenes already listed but the Polis tower was a bit weaker. It doesn't matter that much to me and the reveal was still cool all the same.

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