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  • Okay, so, I'm not sure if this is in the right place, 'buut' oh well.

    If you haven't seen those last episodes of season 2 this will seem out of place.

    Let's look at this in Jasper's way. You're about to kill the bad guy. The real bad guy. Not all of the mountain men, nor their children. 

    Then thaat happens..

    Your friends kill everyone and everything. The ones you cared about the most, betray you for the sake of a victory that you could have achieved if they would've waited just a few more moments. Then Monty, your bff, has such a huge role in the horrible, murderous events that had just happened. 

    And all he can muster up is a forced apology?


    ... yeah too crazy. I don't think that Jonty can be fixed and I think I'm gonna cry, but oh well. That look in his eyes seemed vengeful. 

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    • The real question is that now Monty has tasted power will he pusue it further? There doesnt seem to be any Kings building pyramids or anything else. Large stone structures are a sign of a strong empire, if the Arkers have any chance of becoming a global power they need large stone structures. Monty in pursuit of more power may guide them to this feat of honor.

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    • Jasper killing Cage was all in his head. I don't see him accomplishing that when 2 guards had automatic rifles pointing on him after he came out of the handcuffs. Even if Lee was going to help....Jasper killing Cage was all in his head.

      I think they can get passed it. He's known Monty his whole life - Maya for a few weeks.

      If not Jasper will be the new Murphy or Finn.

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    • Even if Jasper killed Cage, he would have been shot dead immediately after and it still wouldn't stop the Mountain Men from continuing with the plan. They were willing to shoot their own people to walk on the ground. Emerson or someone else would have just taken Cage's place and continued on.

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    • Skyzy wrote: Even if Jasper killed Cage, he would have been shot dead immediately after and it still wouldn't stop the Mountain Men from continuing with the plan. They were willing to shoot their own people to walk on the ground. Emerson or someone else would have just taken Cage's place and continued on.

      Well, it may have stopped the plan from succeeding. Think about it. Dr. Tsing (the head "Doctor", very important to the plan) was already dead. If Cage had died, then there goes another important person from the plan (the President). They wouldn't know who to follow if they had no leader. If somebody has no leader, they'll be lost.

      People may have started arguing over who should take Cage's place, etc. If that happened, then it would have given Clarke and Bell more time to come up with a plan to save their people. I highly doubt that such a hostile group of people (the MM) would willingly "call each other equals" (let everyone be "leader"/in charge). They'd be fighting over the leadership position for sure. Tbh, back when Tsing was alive, it looked like she wouldn't have minded taking over as President either.

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    • These are generations of military personnel. I highly doubt there would be in-fighting over a leadership position. Imagine if they were in the middle of a battle and their top three leaders died (Tsing, Dante, Cage). Do they just stop fighting the battle and surrender? No, the troops continue fighting under whoever is next in charge (Emerson, for example).

      Think of it this way, if you look at the presidential line of succession, you've got 17 people lined up just in case. It's a safe bet that the Mountain Men had something similar considering that's most likely how a Wallace became president in the first place (I doubt he was elected).

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    • ^The MM didn't have elections. They inherited their leadership position from whoever their parents were. Dante's father was President first, then he inherited his father's position, and (before Cage took over) he was going to receive the President position when Dante either wasn't fit to rule or passed away. Cage didn't have any kids that could inherit his position once he died. The MM never argued over who was leader b/c it was ALWAYS a Wallace. Once the whole Wallace family died, then how would the leaders be chosen? They were used to having their Presidents inherit their leadership positions, not electing them. That's why it might cause arguments. They'd argue over who was more fit to rule.

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    • "The MM didn't have elections."

      Sorry, I meant that when the world ended, a Wallace may or may not have been in office as president. It's just as likely the elected president and perhaps even a few more people down the line of succession didn't make it to Mount Weather and that's how the first Wallace became president because he was the highest authority in the Mountain.

      Regardless of primogeniture, Military personnel are trained to take orders, not to fight amongst themselves. Otherwise, you'd have an army who doesn't follow orders which is not very useful when you're trying to defend yourself. I doubt there would be much infighting, at least initially. It would be more of: "we need to win this war first," with whomever is in the most senior position (or most closely related, like a cousin) taking command. It happens all the time in all sorts of organizations from gangs to mobs to monarchies to military units. Your army is only as strong as its leaders so a clear line of leadership is usually defined. It's common sense...which the Mountain Men were lacking, so I might give you that. ;)

      Historical example: The War of the Roses was fought over the crown of England. It happened after they finished their war against France.

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