Alright guys. Huge reveals this episode, a lot of information about the history of both the Sky People and the Grounders. Let's discuss episode 3x07 "Thirteen"
Alright guys. Huge reveals this episode, a lot of information about the history of both the Sky People and the Grounders. Let's discuss episode 3x07 "Thirteen"
8) k, tell me this: what was their sample pool? from where did they select these people from? it doesn't even say it was random. in any case, random does NOT imply objectivity. are you sure selection bias doesn't exist in that survey?
and frankly, i doubt it factors in people who are too scared to come out of the closet because society is still so homophobic to the point where hate crimes against lgbt people are still. being. committed. every. day.
but let's play devil's advocate. you know, for the sake of playing devil's advocate.
so the other 3.4% just should just watch themselves get shot in the chest. again and again. for over. 14. years. right?
because that's what's been happening.
i don't think you are homophobic. but commenting that people should get over her death when there has been someone who has landed him/herself in the hospital because of this? yes, that is borderline casual homophobia. i honestly don't think you meant it intentionally. but it still stings. granted, you should NEVER land yourself in the hospital because of a tv show, but it happened. because lexa's death impacted young lgbt people who watched the show, got disgustingly queerbaited, and then got burned.
tell them to get over lexa's death.
and then tell that to my face again.
i am sorry for sounding so bitter. i really am. but i'm sick of reading these comments over and over and over again. i stayed out of it for 2 days. i can't stay out of it anymore.
NikkiNicks wrote: It's just a death of Character on a TV Show, it's not that big of a deal, sure maybe the Ckeca shippers were fooled into thinking her and Clarke were getting together, but i don't care (guaranteed I never liked Lexa) but people shouldn't lose their chill over just a Death of a TV Show Character,
I am sorry but I fail to see how those two guys said anything ignorant and insensitive. How are they purposefully insulting people, or trolling Clexa fans? They clearly said that they understand why people are upset, but that the way they are acting are irrational. I find it quite hypocritical that you are judging them for what you call "rude" and "purposefully insulting people" when you are insulting JR and the way he is writing the episodes. I am aware that there is a rumor about him bullying Ricky Whittle which may or may not be true, but that is not the reason you are bashing on him, you are bashing on him because you can't accept the fact that one of your favorite characters is gone, and that insulting him isn't going to bring her back. The reason she left is because she is gonna be on The Walking Dead, and originally she wasn't going to be in Season 3 and in the end JR was the reason that she stayed on and he had to go as far as beg her to stay. We are not deliberately trying to upset anyone or troll anyone. I am sad that she is gone, yes. But honestly, there is more BS coming from you than them.
and frankly, i doubt it factors in people who are too scared to come out of the closet because society is still so homophobic to the point where hate crimes against lgbt people are still. being. committed. every. day.
but let's play devil's advocate. you know, for the sake of playing devil's advocate.
so the other 3.4% just should just watch themselves get shot in the chest. again and again. for over. 14. years. right?
because that's what's been happening.
i don't think you are homophobic. but commenting that people should get over her death when there has been someone who has landed him/herself in the hospital because of this? yes, that is borderline casual homophobia. i honestly don't think you meant it intentionally. but it still stings. granted, you should NEVER land yourself in the hospital because of a tv show, but it happened. because lexa's death impacted young lgbt people who watched the show, got disgustingly queerbaited, and then got burned.
tell them to get over lexa's death.
and then tell that to my face again.
i am sorry for sounding so bitter. i really am. but i'm sick of reading these comments over and over and over again. i stayed out of it for 2 days. i can't stay out of it anymore.
I'm sorry, are you saying people went to the hospital because of this episode? I am sorry if that is not what you were saying. If that is what you are saying, I had no idea. But as far as I am aware, I never said to "get over it" I simply didn't understand why anyone would be more sad about losing a lesbian rather than losing a influential character. As for the re-search, I chose sites that i thought were notable. I don't want to argue. I didn't even want to in the first place. I understand that sometimes you have to be bitter to get your point across.
We shouldn't be calling each other names over this. We all come from different lives with different perspectives on this issue, so it's important that we take the time to hear each other out. Straight people may not be able to understand, but for LGBT and POC representation is important. It's self esteem building and empowering to see someone like yourself on television. And then it just gets destroyed like most LGBT couples on shows.
I get why they killed Lexa, in fact, I'm happy they killed her because it's going to move the story forward (also the whole ALIE 2.0 reveal was so cool) but the way they went about it was awful.
"I'm sorry, are you saying people went to the hospital because of this episode?"
Unfortunately, yes.
"I simply didn't understand why anyoe would be more sad about losing a lesbian rather than losing a influential character."
in NO WAY am i saying that lexa was NOT an influential character. let me explain:
you've got people like raven, who (and i'm boiling it down a lot here) embodies tenacity. you've got people like lincoln, who embodies courage. you've got people like clarke, you've got people like octavia, you've got people like bellamy...
and you've got people like lexa.
to me, lexa was so important. not just as a gay character, but because she was lexa. idgaf what the show will do with the next heda. why? because they ain't lexa. lexa was special. lexa was strong, compassionate, powerful, intelligent, beautiful, commanding, and strategic. lexa had this gravitas about her that immediately attracted her to her character the moment she appeared on screen. even before she was revealed as lgbt, i really, really liked her.
but lexa was also important to me because she was a gay character.
she was representation. she was a strong, compassionate, powerful, intelligent, beautiful, commanding, and strategic gay woman who did not sacrifice ANY of those aforementioned traits to the wind. there are plenty of strong characters like that, but there are so, so few characters who happen to possess those traits and also happen to be positive representation for the lgbt community. she was more than a plot device.
the reason i don't bring UP the fact that lexa was everything other than gay is because everyone knows this. no one QUESTIONS this. no one COMPLAINS about her being strong or whatever. but people are complaining that fans are getting too worked up over lexa's death because she's gay, and THAT is why i am so vehement on the subject. that is why i talk about how this aspect of her character in particular is so affecting.
is lexa more than her sexuality? certainly.
but lexa's sexuality is also a part of who she is. and people shouldn't be diminishing the impact of that.
Sparkstoaflame wrote:
she was representation. she was a strong, compassionate, powerful, intelligent, beautiful, commanding, and strategic gay woman who did not sacrifice ANY of those aforementioned traits to the wind. there are plenty of strong characters like that, but there are so, so few characters who happen to possess those traits and also happen to be positive representation for the lgbt community. she was more than a plot device.
THIS EXACTLY. As a closeted LGBT person, it's so empowering and encouraging to see someone like Lexa on television. She was a lesbian but she wasn't a stereotype. She was intelligent, beautiful, strong, all those things you said. I don't think people understand how much she meant to a lot of people, me included.
Unfortunately, yes.
"I simply didn't understand why anyoe would be more sad about losing a lesbian rather than losing a influential character."
in NO WAY am i saying that lexa was NOT an influential character. let me explain:
you've got people like raven, who (and i'm boiling it down a lot here) embodies tenacity. you've got people like lincoln, who embodies courage. you've got people like clarke, you've got people like octavia, you've got people like bellamy...
and you've got people like lexa.
to me, lexa was so important. not just as a gay character, but because she was lexa. idgaf what the show will do with the next heda. why? because they ain't lexa. lexa was special. lexa was strong, compassionate, powerful, intelligent, beautiful, commanding, and strategic. lexa had this gravitas about her that immediately attracted her to her character the moment she appeared on screen. even before she was revealed as lgbt, i really, really liked her.
but lexa was also important to me because she was a gay character.
she was representation. she was a strong, compassionate, powerful, intelligent, beautiful, commanding, and strategic gay woman who did not sacrifice ANY of those aforementioned traits to the wind. there are plenty of strong characters like that, but there are so, so few characters who happen to possess those traits and also happen to be positive representation for the lgbt community. she was more than a plot device.
the reason i don't bring UP the fact that lexa was everything other than gay is because everyone knows this. no one QUESTIONS this. no one COMPLAINS about her being strong or whatever. but people are complaining that fans are getting too worked up over lexa's death because she's gay, and THAT is why i am so vehement on the subject. that is why i talk about how this aspect of her character in particular is so affecting.
is lexa more than her sexuality? certainly.
but lexa's sexuality is also a part of who she is. and people shouldn't be diminishing the impact of that.
I agree with the fact that her sexuality was who she was, but in this fictional world, the sexuality did not at all matter. It was just there but not brought on focus because in this fictional world, society had evolved to the point where having a certain sexuality was as important as your nose: it didnt matter what it looked like it was just a part of you and not a big deal. Therefore I think its wrong to brign her sexuailty out on such a big level because the whole strength in this was that it really genuinly didnt matter so that you were not in any way defined by your sexuality, which is why it was never mentioned. This isnt to say that lexa isnt important as a LGBT representation but the point is that people have been putting too much focus on that, as if it was the defining point of her story. It really wasnt she was the grounder commander and she fell in love with someone. that is what is important, not her sexuality. that was just a natural part of her, and not at all a main point in the story.
WE do not live in the world of the 100. WE live in OUR world, where homophobia is still a problem, where the lgbt community is still discriminated against.
that's why her presence matters.
"point is that people have been putting too much focus on that, as if it was the defining point of her story"
i repeat:
the reason i don't bring UP the fact that lexa was everything other than gay is because everyone knows this. no one QUESTIONS this. no one COMPLAINS about her being strong or whatever. but people are complaining that fans are getting too worked up over lexa's death because she's gay, and THAT is why i am so vehement on the subject. that is why i talk about how this aspect of her character in particular is so affecting.
With so much focus on Lexa no has brought up the effect that it will have on Clarke. Both Finn and Lexa, the people who she loved died in front of her. She is going to be even more of a mess now. I feel so bad for her. Like could you imagine opening your heart to not one but 2 people and then them both being killed in front of you? I know she wont be in the next episode but I really want her to just walk back into Arkadia and fuck shit up. Like take back the leadership and then be all super badass and say "This is how it's gonna go now people. Get with it or get tf out"
I'm closing this thread before this gets any more out of hand. If you want to talk about Lexa's death, start a new thread. If you'd like to continue talking about the episode Thirteen, start a new thread.